Sea Cadets - Skipper should know better

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I was on my way into the marina office at Woolverstone and watched a Sea Cadet training vessel making about 10 knots (hull speed judging by the wake) upriver past the moorings and the marina, completely disregarding the close proximity of moored vessels, and also the 6 knot speed limit in the Orwell.
Wonder what sort of instruction someone was giving young sailors, and how they felt that this was good seamanship? If anybody has any links to the seacadets at Ipswich to contact the skipper, then perhaps they might obtain an explanation, an apology, and some decent seamanship and manners from them in the future. Here's hoping :encouragement:
 
Setting the issue of teaching aside, my understanding is that the 6kt limit applies to leisure craft, not commercial shipping. I don't know the specifics about HM Ships but I'm willing to bet they don't have the 6kt limit either! Specially since they've got a great big gun!:eek:
 
Champagne Murphy said:
Setting the issue of teaching aside, my understanding is that the 6kt limit applies to leisure craft, not commercial shipping. I don't know the specifics about HM Ships but I'm willing to bet they don't have the 6kt limit either! Specially since they've got a great big gun!:eek:
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Wrong. Wrong & Wrong again. What odds will you give me ? :)
 
That would be the TS John Jerwood, which arrived in Ipswich last night. Your estimate of her speed is confirmed by AIS, which has her proceeding at between 9.8 and 10.1 knots the full length of the Orwell,until just before the bridge, then increasing to 6.8 again afterwards. Just about HW, so little effect from tidal stream .

She's under the control of the national organisation, so no use contacting any of the local units. Better to call the Deputy Offshore Commander (who would be better positioned to have a gentle word in the CO's shell-like): 02392 765864 or email agiles "at" ms-sc.org, .
 
Last year I did hear Harwich VTS call Volunteer to a working channel for a polite reminder about the speed limit which they were exceeding. Guess that must be below Fagbury but the principle must be the same.
 
dombuckley said:
That would be the TS John Jerwood, which arrived in Ipswich last night. Your estimate of her speed is confirmed by AIS, which has her proceeding at between 9.8 and 10.1 knots the full length of the Orwell,until just before the bridge, then increasing to 6.8 again afterwards. Just about HW, so little effect from tidal stream .

She's under the control of the national organisation, so no use contacting any of the local units. Better to call the Deputy Offshore Commander (who would be better positioned to have a gentle word in the CO's shell-like): 02392 765864 or email agiles "at" ms-sc.org, .
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Thanks - email sent. The MDL guys at Woolverstone wern't impressed either.
 
Was annoyed at the wash. Even more annoyed at the response....:mad:

I am replying on behalf of the Training Ship John Jerwood which is now deployed across to the continent.

You e-mailed my colleague ???????? referring to a passage made by the ship at speed up the River Orwell at the weekend. I have discussed the passage in question with the Commanding Officer of the vessel at the time. He reports that there was quite a beam wind so to ensure the embarked cadets could manage the steering he had ordered engine revolutions for approximately 6.5 knots. There would have been a tidal assist in one direction which would have increased his speed over the ground (but not through the water). He reports decreasing speed at one end of his passage as he neared some yacht moorings. He apologises if his passage inconvenienced any other river user but he was not aware at the time of any excess wash and he states that the design of the Sea Cadet offshore vessels is such that wash is very rarely created.

I trust that this explanation reassures you that our vessels operate safely, with due regard to extant Notices to Mariners and local conditions, with the aim of giving young people a life-changing experience through nautical adventure.

Re-assured my a*#e. Anyway - rant over - just before of former sea cadets in ten years time :rolleyes:
 
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