Scotland west coast to Kent via Forth and Clyde Canal or via west?

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I'm planning a passage from Inverkip (Firth of Clyde) to the Medway. The route down the west coast and along the English Channel is around 750 miles. Using the Forth and Clyde canal saves about 300 miles and I'd more or less committed to this until I got the BW skipers guide to the canal. It takes at least 21 hours sailing over two full days minimum to pass through the canal which has 39 locks and of course only operates during the day. Added to that there's the time taken to demast and remast and tidal delays as the entrances to the canal. Access to the mast crane at the eastern end is drying. So the 100-odd miles to get from west to east will take, what?, three days at least, perhaps four. Our transit will probalby be the weekend of 24/25 Jun, so will there be delays if the canal is busy?

The nominal minimum passage times for the western and eastern routes start to look similar assuming 4 knots average over the whole western route and the eastern coastal leg. But then if we took stopovers at the same frequency on each route the western would be much slower. The prevailing westerlies should make the eastern route less gruelling and possibly faster. Last year I got SW 4 -5 (and occasionally more) from the Medway to East Anglia and NW 4 -5 back (very nice) at about the same time, but it was overcast so there was no easterly sea breeze to confuse matters.

So the eastern route should be a time save, but I'm wondering if I want to spend three or four days burning diesel, cranking locks, hoiking masts up and down, queuing for locks and paying for the privilege. Added to that I quite like the idea of a thrash down the Irish Sea. But then again perhaps the canal is one of the wonders of the world and not to be missed?

I'd appreciate advice from any forumites who have used the canal, and also the wisdom of the forum on the merits of the western v the eastern routes.
 
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Our transit will probalby be the weekend of 24/25 Jun, so will there be delays if the canal is busy?

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Very unlikely.

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The prevailing westerlies

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Southwesterlies up here....

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So the eastern route should be a time save, but I'm wondering if I want to spend three or four days burning diesel, cranking locks, hoiking masts up and down, queuing for locks and paying for the privilege.

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It's relatively cheap... and you get help all the way through I believe, unlike the durty ditch aka Crinan.

Donald
 
We were one of the first boats to pass through the canal about three or four years ago. The passage was completed in two days including sorting out the mast at each end. Dont worry about queuing as its not that busy. Also when we did it the BW staff worked all the locks, dont know whether it is still like this but give them a phone as they are very helpful.

Its a nice trip but there is one problem area to negotiate and its worth listing to the advice given by the BW staff concerning this. Scroats (scots for little shitheads who cant be touched) dont like getting up early, so an early start should see you through the dodgy part. The english inner city canals have much the same problem.
 
Thanks Donald and Davie for the information. The canal option does sound best. We'll have to start early I think to do it in two days so the wee scroats should be tucked up in their beds at the relevant time.
 
As an alternative view, the sailing scenery will be better going the west coast route, if you have time to see it. The south coast of Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales from Holyhead to Milford Haven, Lundy, the West Country, are all great places to sail. Lots of mountains, islands and crinkly coastline.

Going the other way you have a canal, a very long straight bit, lots of sandbanks, and then some muddy stuff (wait for incoming flames /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
 
We weighed up the same options before delivering an old FV from Troon to Woodbridge recently and went for the W coast route calling at Howth (Dublin) & Portsmouth on the way. Irish Sea & Channel were enjoyable, lots of options either side depending on weather & great places to visit if you have time. Wouldn't hesitate to do it again that way. Long run down the N Sea coast doesn't appeal much I'm afraid.
 
Went through from Bowling to Grangemouth last July with just myself and non-sailing wife in a Contessa 32. Early start is when the support crew and van/pick-up are ready, about 09.00 if my memory serves. The support crew work all the locks and bridges and clear any unwanted debris and weejies ahead of you. Absolutely no agro or problems, sail-thru fish and chips a "must" - just don't believe their 1.8m water depth.
 
awol, how far short of reality is the 1.8m depth? Presumably not too far if the Contessa got through. Our depth is 1.5ish.

I'm still tending to the eastern route because the objective is primarily to get the boat to Kent. But I'm reading the other suggestions with interest because I only know the west coast from a landlubber's perspective and it seems a shame to miss the opportunity to visit new waters. I was even wondering about going North and throught the Caledonian, but that would be pushing the time limits more than a bit. Decisions, decisions.
 
Two years ago I delivered a yacht from Fort William to Plymouth, stopping off in Choab (spelling?) and Carllingford Loach Ireland. As others have said the scenery is stunning, we kept close into the Irish coast.

You can see the canal by road, you cant see puffins, gillimots, dolphins and basking sharks from the drivers seat of your car!
 
Why not go up to the Caledonian canal and do it "mast-up" all the way? We did this trip a few years ago and then down the East coast to the Orwell and it was a fantastic trip.
 
I reckon 1.5m would have got through the Clyde/Carron canal easily the day we did it. The support crew raised the canal level a couple of inches for our most serious grounding and there were a few other muddy touches. Must have added a whole 30mins to the trip. Contessa should draw 1.65m in sea water.
Rent a key from Bowling - the same key opens every padlock, toilet, shower, power box etc. on the canal though a ride on the Falkirk Wheel is extra!
 
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