Lakesailor
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So Is this were we are now?
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I think ghost when ghost says "wind from port" he means that the wind is coming from 90 degrees of the boat's port beam. And presumably, reading the original question, the tide should be directly opposed to the wind.
ghost
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not quite simon,
lake sailors drawing's nearly there, only thing is put matey uptide of you but same attitude.......
What I'm looking for here is to see if anyone knows, not racing rules, but a bit of seamanship, that would magically and mysteriously allow you to make that mark while matey looks on stupified and downtide / having to tack = many seconds behind.
lake sailors drawing's nearly there, only thing is put matey uptide of you but same attitude.......
What I'm looking for here is to see if anyone knows, not racing rules, but a bit of seamanship, that would magically and mysteriously allow you to make that mark while matey looks on stupified and downtide / having to tack = many seconds behind.
Lakesailor
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Could this be it? (I must say you must have had a bit too much pop last night)
Outboard motor springs to mind. If you tack and he doesn't, depending on the strength on the tide, you may stop dead and he may bear away under your stern and you're buggered. If you bear away, and possibly speed up, the tide will take you way past the mark and if you try to tack back just before reaching it you'll chop his nose off because he will have got the inside line.
If you luff up and stop, he'll have to either tack or bear away as he would probably punt you up the stern otherwise, so you could get back on the wind and he will have dropped away. You could then argue the toss about whether you did it on purpose or were a victim of the wind.
Outboard motor springs to mind. If you tack and he doesn't, depending on the strength on the tide, you may stop dead and he may bear away under your stern and you're buggered. If you bear away, and possibly speed up, the tide will take you way past the mark and if you try to tack back just before reaching it you'll chop his nose off because he will have got the inside line.
If you luff up and stop, he'll have to either tack or bear away as he would probably punt you up the stern otherwise, so you could get back on the wind and he will have dropped away. You could then argue the toss about whether you did it on purpose or were a victim of the wind.
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OK so I'm confused. Original question says: "The tide's gently pushing you to weather" can we take it that this is no longer correct?
ghost
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thanks thassit,
yeah, we got a little exitable, dont even feel like trekking to the boat as planned now, -( rolling of eyes and outward rasping of breath ) /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
so what can you do to perpetuate the myth of greatness and trained dolphins here?
yeah, we got a little exitable, dont even feel like trekking to the boat as planned now, -( rolling of eyes and outward rasping of breath ) /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
so what can you do to perpetuate the myth of greatness and trained dolphins here?
ghost
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just as Lake sailors' got it
wind f2, tide 1kt
wind f2, tide 1kt
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OK, so we're now on port tack, not on starboard as you originally described! The scenario changes with every post...
ghost
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apologies simon, I tried to explain Re; last night earlier in the thread, I spent about half hour writing that post, one word - stopped to laugh, three words, stopped to watch then laugh, I should'nt have been on here mate. So if you all can forgive me...........
fireball
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with F2 and a huge 1 knot of tide I guess both of you are going to have to tack to get to the mark.
The danger - as it is a starboard rounding (I assume!) is that if the guy behind (boat2) plays it right he could come into the mark on starboard - not good!
If your free to tack and your both not making the mark then I'd still probably only tack when he does or when your on the layline for the mark - keep yourself between the mark and the opposition always helps and the more dirty wind you can give him the better.
If he's quite close to your port quarter you're giving him a load of dirty wind anyway so he won't be able to point as high and certainly won't get the drive. It would not supprise me if he tacked off - then follow ASAP! as you are then on a controlling tack - he can't tack back if your on starboard!
The danger - as it is a starboard rounding (I assume!) is that if the guy behind (boat2) plays it right he could come into the mark on starboard - not good!
If your free to tack and your both not making the mark then I'd still probably only tack when he does or when your on the layline for the mark - keep yourself between the mark and the opposition always helps and the more dirty wind you can give him the better.
If he's quite close to your port quarter you're giving him a load of dirty wind anyway so he won't be able to point as high and certainly won't get the drive. It would not supprise me if he tacked off - then follow ASAP! as you are then on a controlling tack - he can't tack back if your on starboard!
gandy
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Which side do you have to pass the mark? What's the course to the next mark?
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Tony S
ghost
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if on our diagram ...north is up then next mark is off east, leave the mark to stbd'.....
dont be too exact about the tide rate. I'm just trying to emphasise that there is some tide that's pushing you sideways..... you're about a steady 1 degree off and you got a boat close off you're quarter to weather, you're both curently and ever so slightly gonna miss your layline, there is something in the canny skipper's repetoire that can change this, something simple and quite subtle that'll leave the oppo's helm wondering (lose concentration), their trimmer panicking ( enough to make adjustments + stall a little?) and quite possibly leave them ten boatlength's behind after the mark( thought's from the deep tank will aid demoralisation).
dont be too exact about the tide rate. I'm just trying to emphasise that there is some tide that's pushing you sideways..... you're about a steady 1 degree off and you got a boat close off you're quarter to weather, you're both curently and ever so slightly gonna miss your layline, there is something in the canny skipper's repetoire that can change this, something simple and quite subtle that'll leave the oppo's helm wondering (lose concentration), their trimmer panicking ( enough to make adjustments + stall a little?) and quite possibly leave them ten boatlength's behind after the mark( thought's from the deep tank will aid demoralisation).
Rustyknight
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you could always throw some old war souvineers overboard, not only saving weight, but causing a severe panic for the other crew /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Like this.....
Like this.....
Lakesailor
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Oh Bloody hell! The mark's changed to leave to starboard as well!
I think you've done it!
I Think they guy behind will be so confused now with 2 windshifts, his boat leaped sideways and now the course has changed.
He doesn't stand a chance.
I think you've done it!
I Think they guy behind will be so confused now with 2 windshifts, his boat leaped sideways and now the course has changed.
He doesn't stand a chance.
ghost
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ok.ok.
thassit,
2 things I aint doing again.....
1 drinking million proof rum
2 layin on informative scenario post's that could help someone make a tidal cill or a race mark......
sometimes listening, forever out ta ta
thassit,
2 things I aint doing again.....
1 drinking million proof rum
2 layin on informative scenario post's that could help someone make a tidal cill or a race mark......
sometimes listening, forever out ta ta
Lakesailor
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Go on, it's been fun. Do it again sometime.
I'm interested in the jiggling ladies bit........ /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I'm interested in the jiggling ladies bit........ /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
ghost
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I'm still laughin'
I'm just imagining actually hurling inflatable mines at some serious crew in a race.....
I'm just imagining actually hurling inflatable mines at some serious crew in a race.....
ghost
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look...
( still larfin to meself)
This works, I've done it loads..
Just get your heaviest crew to go below and as far forward as they can possibly get, in a concentrated squashed up and uncomfortable huddle right up into the bow, if applicable get two in there.
The c.o.e. will force a kindov 'twist' as a result of the hull shape when digging the bow in, the c.l.r. will move forward as there's less wetted area, this'll deny the boat a little tideway.
---------inflatable mines....why aint I thought of that before....I'm gonna get some made /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
( still larfin to meself)
This works, I've done it loads..
Just get your heaviest crew to go below and as far forward as they can possibly get, in a concentrated squashed up and uncomfortable huddle right up into the bow, if applicable get two in there.
The c.o.e. will force a kindov 'twist' as a result of the hull shape when digging the bow in, the c.l.r. will move forward as there's less wetted area, this'll deny the boat a little tideway.
---------inflatable mines....why aint I thought of that before....I'm gonna get some made /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ghost
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photos available soon....... please specify sizes when ordering
tcm
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hm, gotta be engine on OR if its' one of those picky picky rule-bound races - turn around directly attim and stove into the side of his boat, yes? That was quite an easy one really.