Seajet
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Right on until horrible rollers jam or otherwise screw up ! Scandalising will always be a good thing in a handy sailors' arsenal.
Scandlaising
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fisherman
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The Falmouth oyster boats routinely do it while dredging, as far as I know sail up to windward and drift back while towing. Engines are banned of course.
Seajet
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fisherman,
one of the best sailing experiences of my life was crewing on a Falmouth Working Boat while racing, my sort of racing - ' hand out the pasties & beer ' !
Do they still go for Oysters then, I know it was part of the deal - under sail - but rather got the impression the boats belong to rich guys now; or is it a case of ' go out under reduced rig once in winter so as to qualify ' ?
one of the best sailing experiences of my life was crewing on a Falmouth Working Boat while racing, my sort of racing - ' hand out the pasties & beer ' !
Do they still go for Oysters then, I know it was part of the deal - under sail - but rather got the impression the boats belong to rich guys now; or is it a case of ' go out under reduced rig once in winter so as to qualify ' ?
lw395
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In the dinghy, we quite often heave to between races.
You can control the boat a lot by leaving the jib firmly backed and sheeting the main.
Seajet
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Heaving to is a bit different from scandalising though, where one deliberately ' cocks up ' ( where the term comes from ) the boom so as to at least partly destroy the drive from the main.
lw395
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Entirely different technique, similar aim of slowing the boat.
Scandalising suffers like poling out genoas. There is a certain sort of Yotinstructors who are obsessively enthusiastic about it.
NormanS
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I have never scandalised, but I frequently pole out my genoa, when running goosewinged. What's that to do with "Yotinstructors"?
Seajet
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I have to disagree;
for a start, what has poling out genoas got to do with it, a common sense response to an obvious need ?
IF one wants to truly scandalise a headsail I'd think it must require some sort of line from midmast to sail clew, I'm sure it must have been tried but I've never heard of it.
the Yot instructors who I met were rather good, had got through the 1979 intact and a lot of experience before & after that inc Tall Ships,
So there are the ' instructors ' called Jaimie' with bottle bleached hair who couldn't navigate their way out of a wet paper bag, or the pro's like Mike Dymond & Pete Misson.
Choose between getting a jolly and a suntan, or learning real sailing with the above mentioned !
I have no connection with either, just a grateful student.
for a start, what has poling out genoas got to do with it, a common sense response to an obvious need ?
IF one wants to truly scandalise a headsail I'd think it must require some sort of line from midmast to sail clew, I'm sure it must have been tried but I've never heard of it.
the Yot instructors who I met were rather good, had got through the 1979 intact and a lot of experience before & after that inc Tall Ships,
So there are the ' instructors ' called Jaimie' with bottle bleached hair who couldn't navigate their way out of a wet paper bag, or the pro's like Mike Dymond & Pete Misson.
Choose between getting a jolly and a suntan, or learning real sailing with the above mentioned !
I have no connection with either, just a grateful student.
lw395
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I'm not sure about scandalising a foresail, at least a loose footed one.
I suspect scandalising a Bermudan main works as it does because the foot is kept under control by the boom.
Not sure that what gaffers etc do is quite the same thing at all?
Perhaps the instructors thing is a separate thread, people who are always looking to try their favourite technique.
One I met was very keen to elaborately pole out the genoa to run dead down wind, good thing to do mid atlantic, bit iffy mid solent when there are about 25 boats you need to give way to.
I suspect scandalising a Bermudan main works as it does because the foot is kept under control by the boom.
Not sure that what gaffers etc do is quite the same thing at all?
Perhaps the instructors thing is a separate thread, people who are always looking to try their favourite technique.
One I met was very keen to elaborately pole out the genoa to run dead down wind, good thing to do mid atlantic, bit iffy mid solent when there are about 25 boats you need to give way to.
fisherman
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Still do it, though a bit worried this year with e coeli problems.
Seajet
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Sadly the way Whitstable and a lot of other Oyster places went bust; I doubt the imports are any better in that regard, they just get zapped while real fresh ones ( which I love ) don't !
Woodlouse
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As far as I'm concerned scandalising is any means you see fit of reducing the drive in your sails be it dipping the peak on a gaffer, lifting the boom, tricing the tack or easing the halyard.
Seajet
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VO5
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There seems to be an interest in headsails as a topic on its own. I am starting a thread to discuss "headsail modifications". I hope it is of interest.
Woodlouse
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+1, but heaving to is heaving to !
Quite, it's an entirely different thing since scandalising is a means of slowing ones progress whilst heaving to is ideally a means of stopping altogether.
