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Re: But you\'re wrong ...

SBC,

I am kinda getting confused about who is doing what and why (and with whom?) on this thread! I am guessing that you were not intending to set up a Message Board in direct competition to YBW for no other reason than the issue of moderating it, plus the fact that many folk who had small boats and have advice to give..........now have bigger ones and are therefore inelgible.

As just a suggesttion maybe the SBC website could include online boat reviews, with plenty of pictures. Plus trip reports (even if just around the bay!). Kinda to let newbie folk know what is "out there" and the things that can be done with them.
 
Good Luck Nigel.
As I treat my boat like a big small boat, you can all nudge over on the mud when I dry out next to you.
Even my yard spent a year deciding whether or not still to talk to me me now I have a posh boat - Jeez.

I will still talk to you all. Anyway, I can join you as I have a 16 foot Oystercatcher, then turn up in the big one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW anyone is welcome to join me, the price of admission is a welcoming grin, wave or other jovial imprecation.

IMHO this idea is a poor one. We need to keep mixing big, small, wealthy, impecunious,MOBO, Raggie. Its the essential glue around here, and the small boat element is only one ingredient that goes into making the recipe work.
 
Good luck with that.

How about you lift the entry criteria, but hold rallies in places where big boats, or fin keelers wouldn't normally go. That way, the group is self selecting and nobody's excluded except by factors that would normally keep them out.
 
Phew, I'm exhausted whizzing between contributions - I though Wimbledon had finished!

I'll start by stating that I was on the verge of flying a kite to ascertain the response to just such a concept as this Small Boat Club for boats under 30 ft LOA.

Some of you will have assimulated the fact that I'm an ancient mariner who has recently turned to motorboating because I don't want to race round the cans any more. But I always was a 'cruising' chappie, primarily interested in navigation, more specifically pilotage, OK exploring then.

So my first and exclusive criterion would be the ability to dry out.

I'm quite happy to pass on my expertise if it helps someone scrub off on the Warsash piles and save the cost of a lift out in an expensive marina. But what I would like to share is the knowledge of places not only such as Newport and Bosham, Dell Quay and Eling (all of which I've visited with 6ft fins), but Beaulieu (by the Palace), Hill Head, Fareham, Bembridge beach, Kings Quay Creek, Freshwater and Ventnor. If I regularly take the ground alongside The Ship at Langstone, The Gun at Keyhaven and South Quay at Emsworth so can you - and it's usually free!

Some of you have enthused over Tightwad Sailor's site - but unfortunately the author has swopped his Iriquois cat for a Stag and is reluctant to dry out.

Oh, and why motorboats too? NOT because we get there faster but because we don't have a mast and can venture upriver beyond the bridges. Now that's really pushing back the frontiers - you should see pics of us at Curbridge, Tuckton and Pulborough.

So I shall follow this thread with great interest and enthusiasm - I do hope something positive is born out of the initial discord. And thank you Nigel for daring to stand up and take the flak (not for the first time methinks . . .)
 
To be honest, the only thing I've learned from big boats on YBW is that AWB's are despised and swindlers charge an exorbitant price for big boat gear. They cruise grounds I will never do on my present boat and have no interest in how to keep my teak deck clean/improve my TV reception/spend £000's high spec electronic gear or worry about tax on green&red diesel... So actually, a small boat forum would be much appreciated.
 
Selecting venues to create limits ...

Hindsight is always good and I agree .....

There has already been discussion after the thread creation about that ....

Point is fair and well made ....
 
That's just a ridiculous train of thought. So therefore this should be the only forum in existence world wide just in case you miss an interesting post...
 
The real test will be to see how many people show an interest and then to question why they feel a need to move outside YBW.

Could it be the small number of regular posters who seem to own the forums.

Or the self appointed experts who will knock the slightest error made by another postee.


Those who take over sensible threads...


Perhaps some of us are just too sensitive?

I share some of Nigel's sentiment but would have stuck with arranging ditch crawling meetings etc....

As a relatively new small boat owner I find most of the boats I meet to be very friendly... but the 3 worst experiences of shear snobby have come on the 3 times I have rafted on or moored in front of large "posh" boats.....


Just my thoughts.


Jim
 
So lets just scrap ybw and set up lots of individual forums without the wealth of experience here, and then when someone wants the answer to a question they can simply go trawling the internet in the hope of an answer instead of going to one place where you stand a very high chance of getting the answer
 
Please answer this publicly Brendan ...

Please let me know what "forum of mine" - using your interpretation of my actions - you have signed up to and also please inform how they detract from the primary goal of YBW forums ?

Have you really checked out - or just going on your understanding of something you perceive as happening ?

I would like to know who has reduced or stopped posting on the YBW forums because of my groups ? In fact I have promoted YBW on them ...... so maybe someone has joined here because of them ?

Where does YBW Forums carry an archive of data / files etc. useful to others ... that people can upload for the good of all ?

Can YBW Forums archive an NMEA diagram so that 1 year later another can download from the files archive. Can YBW Forums archive a Lowrance Tide update so that a new user can download later without having to search through endless cr*p to find ....

Meetings .... really worthwhile info ..... gets lost in the quagmire of posts here ... searching back is a nightmare as many know ...

Brendan - you really persist in spouting this rubbish .... I am not aware of any issue with YBW in competition or otherwise - it's in your eye's ....

Please pick on someone else ....
 
Re: Please answer this publicly Brendan ...

I can't sign up to your forum, you've stated it's for sailboats only, and though I have a small boat, it's a motorboat

I still can't understand why you insist on setting up multiple new forums when the administrators here have been more than happy to create new forums here for you. Keith set up the Crewing Opportunities forum for you, but you still set up a competitive forum to that, and advertise it in your signatures. Kim offered a Navigation forum to you, but you still went ahead with your own.
 
Re: Please answer this publicly Brendan ... you still say Forums ?

They are yahoo groups .... with the archive and database facilities .... the fact they have a forum part is not the reason for them ...

And I was asking about any "forum" as you call them that I have made ... GPSNav, PBOMeet, Lowrance Plotter, Crewing ????

The Crewing group is complimentary to the forum on here by its very concept .... the forum here does not archive crew / owners data - the group does .... blimey talk about
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KIm and I talked about Fuel Forum .... not Navigation .....

Keith and I talked about Crewing and also the set-up of Group database complimenting it ...

So where do you get this rubbish from ???? You really are not reading are you .... what do you do - Speed-Read ? Cause you seem to miss the important bits ....
 
Re: Please answer this publicly Brendan ... you still say Forums ?

actually you did discuss the Nav forum with Kim, cos you forwarded some of the correspondence to me, and discussed whether to accept it and close down the Nav forum and reinstated it under ybw. As at the time you were hosting links to copies of charts etc, which you were subsequently asked to remove by the owners, I suggested that it would not be a good idea to move the forum in that guise to ybw as the copywrite issues could cause problems, as indeed proved to be the case.
 
Re: Please answer this publicly Brendan ...

Maybe I'm wrong, but it does rather seem to me that the sort of boating that little ragtops do is different from the kind the planing mobos of the same size do.

For me, a trip from Hardway to Newtown requires careful planning if I'm to arrive with enough water and not be fighting the tide, and Yarmouth for lunch and home for dinner is out of the question. OTOH, a small displacement mobo has similar issues. This is why, without wishing to upset Brendan, I'd be inclined to allow displacement mobos but exclude planing hulls.

At the recent small boat meet, it was very interesting to meet and talk to moboers, but it really is a different world and as the smallest boat - and probably the oldest - there and one of a small minority of raggies, it was a bit intimidating.

I can see where SBC's coming from, and I suspect that he's a low-budget sailor looking for a group of like-minded low-budget sailors to swap yarns, tips and rounds at a sensibly priced pub. On that basis, deal me in!
 
Re: Please answer this publicly Brendan ... you still say Forums ?

I don't think compulsive forum creation is much worse than sudoku addiction
 
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