Sarca Excel

They're new, I doubt Foxes had or have them.

It's a Delta copy. There's no independent testing of it at all, and modifications made to original designs are more likely to be unwise than not... the people at Simpson-Lawrence who developed the Delta were not stupid, and there are good reasons the Delta does not look the same. My advice is stick to originals.
 
SARCA Excel

If you want to buy an Excel the quickest route would be contact Anchor Right direct. I friend of mine had a SARCA delivered last year, direct from Australia, and I think it was shipped (surface) direct to his yacht, then on the Mersea.

There was an excellent article in Sailing Today about 2 years ago from someone who chose an Excel. Craig's answer to this is they must have had a free anchor or they are consultants. The truth is the author is an independent journalist with no affiliation to Anchor Right (he seemed to think the Excel good) - and if you think something is good and you are a yachting journalist its quite sensible to put your money where your pen is!. The Excel is generating considerable interest in America (check the Trawler Forum). Ostensibly it looks like a Delta but is much flattened, it is made in Australia from Australian steel, some of which is high tensile steel (the highest tensile steel that can still be galvanised) and is rated SHHP in Australia. Tests have been conducted, viewable on the Anchor Right website, they are independently verified.

And talking of copies, the original SARCA was a concave anchor with a roll bar, similar to the existing SARCA except the fluke was reversed. The anchor was introduced to NZ and Australia in the early 90's. It was withdrawn because on lifting was found to carry mud - the solution was to reverse the fluke, make it convex - which is where they are now (though there is a suggestion the design has seen continual improvment). After the introducion of this early SARCA Rocna came up with their design, looking awfully like that original SARCA - serendipity at its best, but both copied the Bruce roll bar - so if you are an empty pot stop calling the kettle black! Interestingly there are lots of SARCAs in the UK (just check at your local marina), must have come from a reputable and respected manufacturer.

The Excel was apparently a response to yachtsmen who wanted an anchor incorporating 21st Century developments but was of a generic plough shape. Craig does not like it becuase it takes considerable sales from Rocna, but that is life and no a reason to damn it.

Have a great day.
 
craigsmith said:
They're new, I doubt Foxes had or have them.

It's a Delta copy. There's no independent testing of it at all, and modifications made to original designs are more likely to be unwise than not... the people at Simpson-Lawrence who developed the Delta were not stupid, and there are good reasons the Delta does not look the same. My advice is stick to originals.
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To the contrary there are several published independent tests which consistently place the Sarca Excel as the best all round anchor on the market. With respect, I prefer to take the results of these tests into account rather then negative and emotive comments from people wanting me to buy something I have discounted.
 
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They're promotional demonstrations by Sarca and they're scams.

There's even one where they show their Delta copy beating not just a Rocna, but a Rocna and the Manson copy together at the same time! It's amazing!

Want to know how to generate any result you'd like using a beam lever gimmick? :)
 
What, that they're by Sarca? No that's fact.

That they're scams - that would be my professional opinion yes. Watch them, particularly the one I mentioned above. They're ludicrous.

The beam lever 'works' because it allows the comparison to be stacked in a subtle way that's hard to see, and it looks good because once one contender starts to lose as a result of the initial stacking it will keep on losing. You could use such a rig to demonstrate that a Rocna 10 is twice the anchor that a Rocna 10 is... or a Delta 10 kg is twice the anchor that a Delta 10 kg is, you get the point.

I'm sorely tempted to make up a list of dream results for Rocna and go out and do something similar, but I'm afraid ethics restrain me...
 
craigsmith said:
It was just a link to an Australian reseller page with some rather cute claims about double the holding power of any other anchor. No independent testing at all. There's none I'm aware of.
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In fact this link (which I didn't set up properly) was simply a photograph of the Sarca Excel I'm looking for. Comments above are more nonsense.
 
Good greif, I only wanted to know where I can get a Sarca Excel in the UK. Seems to have initiated a torret of opinions of religious proportions. I'll just get one posted from Aus then so everybody can calm down.
 
Malo37 said:
Good greif, I only wanted to know where I can get a Sarca Excel in the UK. Seems to have initiated a torret of opinions of religious proportions. I'll just get one posted from Aus then so everybody can calm down.
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Yes, Rocna gets a little perturbed when someone is interested in another anchor from his backyard that is obviously a better performer. Here's a link to the Sailing Today article with independent test results, as per sarabande's request:

http://www.anchorright.com.au/downlo...nchor-Test.pdf

And here's a link to a video where Sarca pulled the anchors SEPARATELY, and the results were still the same:
 
Djbangi said:
There was an excellent article in Sailing Today about 2 years ago from someone who chose an Excel. Craig's answer to this is they must have had a free anchor or they are consultants. The truth is the author is an independent journalist with no affiliation to Anchor Right (he seemed to think the Excel good) - and if you think something is good and you are a yachting journalist its quite sensible to put your money where your pen is!..
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So you registered today just to post that eh - you're very familiar with Sarca's promotional line, any affiliations to disclose or are you going to carry on the charade?

The 'article' in Sailing Today was written by the same Jon Neeves who was in contact with Rocna strongly hinting that the provision of a discounted anchor would be a good idea (refused), who subsequently mysteriously ended up with a Sarca Excel before they were publicly available. The same Neeves whose original article contained true fantasy (Rocna made in India, amongst other falsifications) before going through a few iterations. His writing looks like something off the Sarca website - a supposed assessment of three lots of international testing which distorts and twists the analysis to injure Sarca's primary competitors by faint praise, whilst ignoring the only independent testing of the existing Sarca which presents distinctly average results. And the third "independent" testing that is discussed so enthusiastically and eventually given all the weighting by the author? Sarca's own promotional demonstrations, as shown on video c/o Sarabande's links in this very thread, and discussed above.

The implication that the Rocna is somehow copied from the Sarca is an outright falsification and slander. It's a ludicrous contention given how different the products are.

Here are the facts that cannot be in contention:


  • Sarca claims their new Excel Delta copy not only out-performs the genuine Delta by some amazing margin, but that it out-performs by double (their words) any other anchor on the market; Rocna, Spade, Fortress, whatever.
  • There is no independent testing of the Excel Delta copy. At all.

http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/new-gen-boat-anchors-explained.php
 
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craigsmith said:
The 'article' in Sailing Today was written by the same Jon Neeves who was in contact with Rocna strongly hinting that the provision of a discounted anchor would be a good idea (refused),
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I didn't think anything of that until I looked up the registration address of Djbangi. The name in their email address contains Neeves. That could be a purely innocent coincidence. It could! :)

This is fast turning out to be suspicious Saturday for me (See here) , but I must admit the words "excellent article" and "ST" did get my personal alarm bells ringing :D

What?? Why should just the anchor makers get fun out of bashing each other??? :D:D:D:D
 
The attached file has test results from 5 different types of bottoms, and it sure appears to be an independent test to me. Have a look.
 
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