Sant Carles marina bring in high car parking charges!

6000 euros for a twenty metre berth
i wouldn't mind betting that same berth from MDL would probably be about 10,000 euros so i think that leaves a far bit of change
for parking the car .
 
superchip said:
6000 euros for a twenty metre berth
i wouldn't mind betting that same berth from MDL would probably be about 10,000 euros so i think that leaves a far bit of change
for parking the car .
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You wouldn't get a 20m berth in Solent for that, wouldn't get the good weath either
 
I know of a guy who runs an IT support company. His biggest clinet is a council. The council recently had a temporary IT failure on a wide scale basis. He went to the head of IT and said what is your priority list for re establishing IT services to the various depts. He was told to prioritise car parking above anything else.
 
As has been mentioned previously in this thread, much of the information put on this forum needs much more context. However it is very true that 15 metre berths are sublet for between €4000-5500 per year including water and electricity.

This is for a rare (in the med) pontoon berth in an extremely well maintained marina, with clubhouse, infinity pool, well run bar and restaurant with a great eating area overlooking the marina itself. The showers are clean and the laundry is a reasonable size (with machines which are well maintained). The hard standing and workshop is large and well run with a free lift and scrub annually (for every berth holder). Locally there are full support services available at sensible charges.

Above that the marina staff offer a standard of service that we have never seen in the UK. In the last week they have booked restaurants, booked other marinas, accepted delivery of parcels and organised airport transport for us.

This is a good marina to be based at before you add in the sun, good local restaurants and a good set of other berth holders
and I think it is important to take in the full picture. If this package isn't good enough to justify the parking charges then so be it.
 
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Hurricane said:
Actually, Medskipper isn't completely telling the truth.
If you own a berth or rent off the marina, car parking is free.
It is the sub letters that aren't having that privilege passed on.
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Yes it clearly annoys MDL that people who purchased long term moorings and who don't now have a boat or indeed never owned a boat sub let their property and under cut MDL prices. However if it was decreed that no sub letting should take place surely it would drag down the price of every berth? Empty moorings that can't be filled by MDL would just be offered on the market for whatever their owners could sell them for in turn making your now twenty year leases worth less? IMO of course. The owner of my berth has offered to sell but I don't feel it's worth purchasing! Even if I get a parking pass! But renting the berth I feel should entitle me to the benefits the owner has already paid for on that berth.
 
yes thats the problem of sub letting ,the sub letter wants all the benefits of owning a berth but doesn't want the costs that your responsible
for when owning the berth .
this is why the swimming pool and showers ect are overloaded in the summer .
you end up with two families using all the facilities allocated to one berth .
 
Medskipper said:
Yes it clearly annoys MDL that people who purchased long term moorings and who don't now have a boat or indeed never owned a boat sub let their property and under cut MDL prices. However if it was decreed that no sub letting should take place surely it would drag down the price of every berth? Empty moorings that can't be filled by MDL would just be offered on the market for whatever their owners could sell them for in turn making your now twenty year leases worth less? IMO of course. The owner of my berth has offered to sell but I don't feel it's worth purchasing! Even if I get a parking pass! But renting the berth I feel should entitle me to the benefits the owner has already paid for on that berth.
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Did your deal with the owner include parking? If so - then take it up with the owner. If not - then tough. You are only arguing about the cost of a half-decent dinner for two, after all...
 
superchip said:
yes thats the problem of sub letting ,the sub letter wants all the benefits of owning a berth but doesn't want the costs that your responsible
for when owning the berth .
this is why the swimming pool and showers ect are overloaded in the summer .
you end up with two families using all the facilities allocated to one berth .
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Why would you have two families using the facilities?

Incidentally, I thought that the overloading of the facilities was more due to outsiders using them.
 
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jimmy_the_builder said:
Did your deal with the owner include parking? If so - then take it up with the owner. If not - then tough. You are only arguing about the cost of a half-decent dinner for two, after all...
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I suspect the OP would prefer the dinner for two!

Anyhow, the OP makes a valid point. Withholding benefits from sub-letters will have a small impact of the value of the berths on the sub-letting market. And perhaps this is the thin end of the wedge? I'd bet that the parking prices will only go up and wouldn't be surprised if other benefits, like the use of the pool and showers, are denied to sub-letters in the future.

BTW, if sub-letters can't park for free, does the same apply to visitors / guests of official berth holders?

Incidentally, we were looking at sub-letting a berth in Puerto Pollensa earlier in the year. Sub-letters didn't get free parking there and it was suggested that they couldn't use the showers either.

Jimmy does make an interesting point regarding T&C's for a sub-let. If use of showers, a pool, etc was important to me then I'd make sure that I had an exit clause that allowed me to cancel any sub-letting agreement if I could no longer access these facilities.
 
longjohnsilver said:
If €200 only gives you a half decent dinner, how much do you need for a fully decent meal?:D
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Don't worry LJS, I can assure you that €200 can buy you a more than decent dinner for two in many places in the Med.
And even without having ever been in SCM, I'm pretty that this is true also around there.
JTB is used to the very posh SoF, you know... :rolleyes: :D
 
This subletting concept is news to me
In particular the race for the bottom and partial rights they are given
We can only let via marina office @ commission , but a fixed transparent tariff
For a max of 24 months to stop folks doing a marina BTL
Rents can easily be in excess of €1M -the marinas cut that is
Along with car park chargers to none berth holders
Goes into the running pot so our maintenance fee is low
Every morning they come round and do a register -bit like school -tick you off in a book
So they know who should or should not be in each berth
 
Free parking is only the most recent benefit that isn't passed on to the subletter.
For a number of years, we have been offered free nights berthing at 26 other marinas up and down Catalunia.- only available to direct customers.
Holding tank pumo outs are 5 euros for direct customers and 25 euros for subletters which seems to me to be a bad policy.

On the subject of a half decent meal for 2, just thunk about the saving that the subletters are making - that amounts to dozens of really posh meals fir two.
 
petem said:
Why would you have two families using the facilities?

Incidentally, I thought that the overloading of the facilities was more due to outsiders using them.
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because both the lease holder and the sub letter use the facilities
hence the overloaded showers and swimming pool
 
Denia and Altea and Alicante are all free as well as Valencia as well.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED FOR PARKING AT A MARINA IN SPAIN.
 
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