petem
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Indeed. And nobody seems to be denying that they are from a San Lorenzo.
Indeed. And nobody seems to be denying that they are from a San Lorenzo.
CLB
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A disgruntled rival? I really don't know. I would also ask, if it was genuine, why not be more open about who they are?
The jury is out for me. I believed it at first, became dubious on publication of the whois details, and am now not sure. I think part of my doubt is that I simply cannot believe some of what I am seeing in the pictures could be produced by a boat builder of perceived quality.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Well if you read the website one of the things the owner is pissed off about is that SL did not exercise discretion about who the owners of the boats they currently had in build were so I guess the owner doesnt want to reveal his name or indeed the name of the boat. And one very obvious reason not to do that would be to try to avoid his particular boat being widely known as a lemon and becoming unsaleable as a result
Actually in my own small way I found SL to be somewhat indiscrete in that, during my dealings with them and once they'd found out what I do for a living, they happily volunteered the information that a business associate of mine had ordered a new boat from them recently. This was a titbit of information that I dropped into a meeting with this guy a few months later to my advantage when discussing pricing
MapisM
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Good question, M. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be one.
For all I know, it might be really just a buyer unhappy with the product and service he got, and the story is 100% kosher.
But the method used, and the written content of that website, scream of a dodgy attitude in so many ways that I don't think it's necessary to list them.
Btw, that Mr.Vojtech, who introduces himself as an IT specialist whose best friends is, allegedly, the actual SL client, obviously must have thought that in order to "raise boating enthusiasts’ awareness" (his one and only declared objective for creating and putting up the website, if anyone can buy that), some redundancy was in order, to the point of publishing a second identical website on another provider, just in case...
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Btw, that Mr.Vojtech, who introduces himself as an IT specialist whose best friends is, allegedly, the actual SL client, obviously must have thought that in order to "raise boating enthusiasts’ awareness" (his one and only declared objective for creating and putting up the website, if anyone believes that), some redundancy was in order, to the point of creating another identical website on another provider, just in case:
TBH I'm not sure what your point is here?
Bouba
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The impression I got was that the website was anonymous because the owner and builder were in arbitration
MapisM
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Well, if I may paraphrase your own question, why would anyone bother to do that for anything else than a derogatory intent towards SL?
That's in fact the only target (regardless of the reasons) that realistically anyone could have.
Call me cynic if you wish, but I struggle with the idea that Mr.Vojtech is just an altruistic boating mate, who only wishes to make us aware of the risks involved in purchasing an SD112 or whatever... :ambivalence:
PS: coming to think of possible reasons (I mean, logical reasons - i.e. not trolling or whatever), frankly speaking there's only one which springs to my mind, knowing the relationships between SL and the other yard which allegedly this buyer was evaluating as an alternative. But I'm just speculating now.
Regardless, I'm sure you are not buying the "raise boating enthusiasts’ awareness" rationale behind that website, or are you...
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Whitelighter
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Obviously the target is to damage SL - I assume to have some leverage in persuading them to settle a claim sooner rather than later.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Yup I suspect thats the aim. No manufacturer likes bad publicity. Reminds me of SIBS many years ago when a disgruntled owner set up outside the Fairline stand with a big poster detailing how pissed off he was with the way that Fairline had dealt with the engine problems on his new boat. Word was that they settled with him pretty sharpish
MapisM
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LOL, "leverage", how polite. Why didn't I think of that wording, before calling it ransom in my first post above...?
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fisherman
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Remember 'Gludy', anyone?
petem
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How could we forget!
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Whitelighter
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Crikey you dont think this is Gludy's distant E European cousin, do you?
Some say...
CLB
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These kind of things do have a habit of sticking in the memory, so best SL sort it out ASAP, one way or another. I still can't think of Trader, without being reminded of the Gludy saga.
Kawasaki
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How can We not forget Gludy and the Trader Saga
Forum 'Classics' alongside hlb and others. Some best forgotten and some sadly missed
My only experience of the 'San Lorenzo' Mark/ Make has been rather happy. A 'Woody' built in 87, - 72 ft. A rather nice Vessel based on a Greek Island. 'They don't make em like they used to' It Seems!
sam42
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I also bumped into this site before. My opinion is that the damaged boat is legit as described and site is anonymous because acting like this is kinda shady, even if you feel you have right to let the world know, you can still pay a juicy fine for such a behavior. I dont think it is a good idea but It is certainly interesting to read when somebody went for it. As the multiple sites goes... I also found one. It looks like somebody from san lorenzo is fighting fire with fire. I wonder how this is gonna end up. Certainly both sides dont mind getting dirty hands at this point.
I wonder how this is gonna end up. Certainly both sides dont mind getting dirty hands at this point.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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It does SL no favours to ratchet up the war. There is an old saying that an argument won is a customer lost. Why doesnt SL just engage in some constructive dialog with the owner and try to make him happy? Thats how a responsible company would behaveAs the multiple sites goes... I also found one. It looks like somebody from san lorenzo is fighting fire with fire.