Sailing Uma Lithium Install

shanemax said:
Rich dad or mum some where, or lottery winner ! I do not think they earn that much from u tube,
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I think you’d be surprised how much they make between YouTube and Patreon alongside their sponsorships. Not as much as Vagabonde, for sure, but its a good income.
 
I don't usually follow Sailing Uma. Their videos make me cringe. Architects thinking they can do engineering never works well😁
I always feel like telling them to have a look at 'RAN sailing' to get some idea how to build stuff.
Their video on lithium is full of mistakes and inaccuracies
 
I think thats a little harsh, but it is interesting how many issues they’re now reporting having never mentioned them before. The boat regularly going dark being a biggie. acting as a source of information without disclosing problems is irresponsible in my view.
 
lustyd said:
I think thats a little harsh, but it is interesting how many issues they’re now reporting having never mentioned them before. The boat regularly going dark being a biggie. acting as a source of information without disclosing problems is irresponsible in my view.
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I don't think it's harsh. I think it's true. They don't give the full picture. It's all about their image.
Did you see them doing the new keel bolts? They had them at all sorts of angles. There was no way that keel was going to slide back on. They conveniently skipped over that struggle for the benefit of their image.
Now admitting that the boat went dark and they had no contingency, but harping on about how great their electric drive was, just turns me off them even more.
They have built a hardtop out of ply that must weigh a tonne. I was very weight conscious when I built mine, so its all foam core and epoxy. They didn't even seem to consider that. They then added glass windows for even more weight high up
 
GEM43 said:
Why all the negativity and jealousy about their ability to fund the project? They can fund it and that’s the end of it. Good luck to them.
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Generalising. The danger is that if funds come from sponsors and kit from suppliers are they impartial? The kit they are using is not cheap and you, rather, they, want it to be a continuous stream - without the kit they have nothing to say and with nothing to say their lifestyle will be restricted. The second issue being there is no peer review of their product, the videos etc, Geem mentions mistakes and inaccuracies so I'm wrong, there is peer review, but its ephemeral.

They should be monitoring criticism and answering it.

When you read YM or PBO - it enjoys peer review, the editorial staff soon detects partiality - and don't provide a platform for the contributor. The other trouble is people are no longer buying YM and video is sexy.

Jonathan
 
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"We decided to design the ultimate electric sail boat."

OK. What we (the viewers) get is a look at the latest (ultimate) equipment.
We lose no skin in this game and can take away from it what we feel is relevant.

We are letting someone else experiment and can sit back and watch (and judge).
No one in their right mind (err, you have a yacht, Gary!!) will take what they say as gospel.
We can comment, question, criticize, laugh, or gape at what they are up to, but in the end we can choose whether to watch or not.
Welcome to Youtube.

gary
 
Like Geem, i don't usually follow them, or anyone else for that matter. Their previous LFP installation was incredibly poorly designed to get a dark ship with so many batteries. Connecting 3 x 48V banks in parallel to a single fuse was exceptionally bad, as was using 4 drop in batteries with built in BMS to make a 48V battery.
 
garymalmgren said:
"We decided to design the ultimate electric sail boat."

OK. What we (the viewers) get is a look at the latest (ultimate) equipment.
We lose no skin in this game and can take away from it what we feel is relevant.

We are letting someone else experiment and can sit back and watch (and judge).
No one in their right mind (err, you have a yacht, Gary!!) will take what they say as gospel.
We can comment, question, criticize, laugh, or gape at what they are up to, but in the end we can choose whether to watch or not.
Welcome to Youtube.

gary
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Yet many use YouTube for all sorts of information to do and learn things, from gardening to quantum physics. That is a lot of stored energy they are fitting and they talk with a tone of authority and competency. It is a world where social media is king, and the primary source of information for many people. It's wrong if you think that there are DIY lithium installers out there who won't take "what they say as gospel". In my experience, it takes a lot of social media review to work out what is right or wrong and in today's world of instant gratification, I think, a fair number can't be arsed doing that.
 
Neeves said:
When you read YM or PBO - it enjoys peer review, the editorial staff soon detects partiality
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I'm sorry but this is simply not the case. Take seacocks or galvanic corrosion as examples, they've printed incorrect information on many occasions as I believe Vyv Cox has repeatedly highlighted and explicitely written to them about.
 
PaulRainbow said:
as was using 4 drop in batteries with built in BMS to make a 48V battery.
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In their defence, they did mention that at the time I believe and they also explained that the manufacturer had told them it wasn't supported. They re-iterated in in the recent video, so they do occasionally do it right.

That said, they did also say the BMS stops the cells catching fire in an LFP setup. It is hard when speaking to camera and thinking out loud to get everything right, I've said some daft things on ours but usually put some text on the screen saying I'm wrong when I do.
 
lustyd said:
In their defence, they did mention that at the time I believe and they also explained that the manufacturer had told them it wasn't supported. They re-iterated in in the recent video, so they do occasionally do it right.

That said, they did also say the BMS stops the cells catching fire in an LFP setup. It is hard when speaking to camera and thinking out loud to get everything right, I've said some daft things on ours but usually put some text on the screen saying I'm wrong when I do.
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I think it's the fact that they often do projects as if they know what they doing. To the innocent viewer, they can appear to be experts when in reality, they are confident amateurs doing things badly
 
lustyd said:
In their defence, they did mention that at the time I believe and they also explained that the manufacturer had told them it wasn't supported. They re-iterated in in the recent video, so they do occasionally do it right.
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I'm sure Battleborn would have advised against fitting 4 in series to make 48V, but they ignored that and did it in their video anyway. But, what's even worse is that they then connected 3 x 48V banks in parallel to a single fuse !! Each bank should have its own fuse and isolator, you don't get total black outs then. Some people looking to do DIY installs are likely to follow that nonsense.
lustyd said:
That said, they did also say the BMS stops the cells catching fire in an LFP setup. It is hard when speaking to camera and thinking out loud to get everything right, I've said some daft things on ours but usually put some text on the screen saying I'm wrong when I do.
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shanemax said:
Rich dad or mum some where, or lottery winner ! I do not think they earn that much from u tube,
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Not so sure about that. According to graphtreon, which isn't 100 percent accurate but usually in the rough ball park, they have over 1000 patreon subscribers giving around 6k per month.
In youtube they have 435k subscribers giving a substantial 2nd revenue stream.

They regularly get 1m+ views on each video which would monitise to 1 - 3k per video.

Ithink the challenge for many successful lifestyle content people is that it is too luceative to give up.
 
lustyd said:
I think you’d be surprised how much they make between YouTube and Patreon alongside their sponsorships. Not as much as Vagabonde, for sure, but its a good income.
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A few of their videos have 1m+ views but the majority far lower. Looking at the amount they spend, even on yard fees, they must have a good income from somewhere but of course do have some sponsors.

They have spent quite a few years covering vast distances to places most only dream of, all in an old unsuitable boat. I find their decision to strip the same boat back to bare hull, add lots of reinforcement and completely rebuild the interior, a strange decision when they could have bought a more suitable boat for far less money than this project must be costing. Must be they enjoy the challenge and enjoy hard work.
 
Probably some truth in that, I don’t know and I’m not sure I want to know their finance specifics
And all the time we’re here they’re out there doing, learning.
And getting better at it, rinse and repeat.

Some of my earliest ( and latest ) woodwork, house building, boat work was dreadful too

They chose one of Bill Shaws better designs ( possibly luck involved) and when I watched their N Atlantic crossing they made jolly decent daily distances and retain a light airs performance too, I thought and they played the weather systems beautifully using satellite info and watching box sets during the icky bits😄

These young uns eh!
 
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