S24 anchor winch retro fitting .....possible winter project

Brent Swain said:
My winch eliminates all these possibilities , far less "dangerous!"
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BS, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, I reckon.
I'm well aware that the drum setup does have advantages over the typical pleasure boat windlass.
What I meant is that, among several drum ground tackles which I've seen on pleasure boats built by yards with a very strong commercial heritage, including a few actual fishing boats (in the PNW), yours is by far the worst and most dangerous.
The fact that it worked for you for so long, and that you've still got all your fingers and hands, is all well and good of course.
But suggesting anyone else to adopt it as it is (let alone on a 24' coastal mobo!) is beyond a joke.
If you don't recognize this obviousness, and you insist that your thingie is the be-all-end-all system for any boat, I'm afraid that the only result you will achieve is to support ICTM view that your ideas and beliefs are ill conceived.

Which is a pity, because I for one can understand your point for drum vs. chain locker, in some types of boats.
And I'd love to hear more about Penrhyn btw (possibly with pics!), also because a drum setup like the one you posted doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell to find its way on the bow of any forum boats anyhow, no matter how much you swear by it.
And you can trust me if I tell you that this is a fact.
 
MapisM said:
BS, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, I reckon.
I'm well aware that the drum setup does have advantages over the typical pleasure boat windlass.
What I meant is that, among several drum ground tackles which I've seen on pleasure boats built by yards with a very strong commercial heritage, including a few actual fishing boats (in the PNW), yours is by far the worst and most dangerous.
The fact that it worked for you for so long, and that you've still got all your fingers and hands, is all well and good of course.
But suggesting anyone else to adopt it as it is (let alone on a 24' coastal mobo!) is beyond a joke.
If you don't recognize this obviousness, and you insist that your thingie is the be-all-end-all system for any boat, I'm afraid that the only result you will achieve is to support ICTM view that your ideas and beliefs are ill conceived.

Which is a pity, because I for one can understand your point for drum vs. chain locker, in some types of boats.
And I'd love to hear more about Penrhyn btw (possibly with pics!), also because a drum setup like the one you posted doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell to find its way on the bow of any forum boats anyhow, no matter how much you swear by it.
And you can trust me if I tell you that this is a fact.
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Quite.... +1
 
MapisM said:
BS, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, I reckon.
I'm well aware that the drum setup does have advantages over the typical pleasure boat windlass.
What I meant is that, among several drum ground tackles which I've seen on pleasure boats built by yards with a very strong commercial heritage, including a few actual fishing boats (in the PNW), yours is by far the worst and most dangerous.
The fact that it worked for you for so long, and that you've still got all your fingers and hands, is all well and good of course.
But suggesting anyone else to adopt it as it is (let alone on a 24' coastal mobo!) is beyond a joke.
If you don't recognize this obviousness, and you insist that your thingie is the be-all-end-all system for any boat, I'm afraid that the only result you will achieve is to support ICTM view that your ideas and beliefs are ill conceived.

Which is a pity, because I for one can understand your point for drum vs. chain locker, in some types of boats.
And I'd love to hear more about Penrhyn btw (possibly with pics!), also because a drum setup like the one you posted doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell to find its way on the bow of any forum boats anyhow, no matter how much you swear by it.
And you can trust me if I tell you that this is a fact.
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What exactly is the "Danger" you predict? A handle which can only go less than a half turn, left as far forward as it can possibly go? Pawls and gear so deep inside that one would have to go to great lengths to reach them, and only by trying really, really hard, could anyone manage to snag anything on them?( which nobody has, ever, in over 40 years of use, including a single season NW passage run and 4 circumnavigations.)
 
This picture posted on facebook got lot of likes very quickly, including by some very experienced builders and cruisers, who planned on building one quickly.
When you weld the centre of the drum to lighter side plates ,you shrink the side plates in their centre, making it hard to tap them straight. Too much material on the outside of them . Making a zip cut from the centre out to the edges, relieves this stress. Then, tap it fair. If it still wont go, and the zip cut closes, open it up, and tap some more .When it is fair, weld the zip cut closed .That weld shrinkage will put a bit more stress on the outside.

Yes ,those selling anchor winches for over $1,000, will naturally attack any post which undermines their profits.
 
Brent Swain said:
This picture posted on facebook got lot of likes very quickly, including by some very experienced builders and cruisers, who planned on building one quickly.
When you weld the centre of the drum to lighter side plates ,you shrink the side plates in their centre, making it hard to tap them straight. Too much material on the outside of them . Making a zip cut from the centre out to the edges, relieves this stress. Then, tap it fair. If it still wont go, and the zip cut closes, open it up, and tap some more .When it is fair, weld the zip cut closed .That weld shrinkage will put a bit more stress on the outside.

Yes ,those selling anchor winches for over $1,000, will naturally attack any post which undermines their profits.
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I don't think there are any people on here that commented on you device that actually sell anchor winches
 
Hi All...... dont post here much now but thats another story........ANYWAYYYYYYYY

Posting again anytime soon :)

Page 3 and only one piece of advice for the OP so far :ambivalence:

Would be interested to hear if his original idea has developed any further !
 
Bigplumbs said:
I don't think there are any people on here that commented on you device that actually sell anchor winches
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Some are trying to justify having spent over $1,000 on an anchor winch.

If there is a bit of wind ,sometimes I just motor full throttle towards my anchor for half a boat length ( to avoid getting the rode in my prop). That gives me enough momentum to take in a lot of slack, before she wanders off course.Sometimes I just crank the rest in, if I am close enough to my anchor. If not, I can let her lie back until she is head to the wind, and take another half boat length, full throttle run at it .Sure beats cranking against the wind the whole way.

I am amazed at how many extremely experienced cruisers simply don't know how to sail the anchor out.

You simply hoist the main, and sheet it in hard. She fore reaches, giving the anchor rode a lot of slack., which you pull in, until it goes tight. You cleat it off until the bow tacks thru the wind. Then you get a lot more slack, which you pull in until it tightens .Cleat it off and wait, then pull in more slack. When it looks like the anchor is about to break loose, you wait until you are on the tack you want to leave with, then pull it in , and sail your anchor into clear water , before pulling up the rest.

I have met extremely experienced sailors who said "We were off a lee shore with anchor dragging, and if our engine had not started we would have had no choice but end up on the beach."
I said .
"You could have sailed the hook out."
"Wuts that ?" they replied.
 
Brent Swain said:
Some are trying to justify having spent over $1,000 on an anchor winch.

If there is a bit of wind ,sometimes I just motor full throttle towards my anchor for half a boat length ( to avoid getting the rode in my prop). That gives me enough momentum to take in a lot of slack, before she wanders off course.Sometimes I just crank the rest in, if I am close enough to my anchor. If not, I can let her lie back until she is head to the wind, and take another half boat length, full throttle run at it .Sure beats cranking against the wind the whole way.

I am amazed at how many extremely experienced cruisers simply don't know how to sail the anchor out.

You simply hoist the main, and sheet it in hard. She fore reaches, giving the anchor rode a lot of slack., which you pull in, until it goes tight. You cleat it off until the bow tacks thru the wind. Then you get a lot more slack, which you pull in until it tightens .Cleat it off and wait, then pull in more slack. When it looks like the anchor is about to break loose, you wait until you are on the tack you want to leave with, then pull it in , and sail your anchor into clear water , before pulling up the rest.

I have met extremely experienced sailors who said "We were off a lee shore with anchor dragging, and if our engine had not started we would have had no choice but end up on the beach."
I said .
"You could have sailed the hook out."
"Wuts that ?" they replied.
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So still no useful advice to the OP then. The point is that your device would be no good at all on a Sealine S24.
 
Brent Swain said:
...motor full throttle towards my anchor...

...sail the anchor out...

...You simply hoist the main, and sheet it in hard.

...She fore reaches...

...if our engine had not started...
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Are you aware you are posting in the Motor Boat forum?

I don't have an opinion on your winch mechanism; other than it's completely irrelevant in terms of the OP's Sealine S24.

Maybe we could try to answer his question...
 
Bigplumbs said:
So still no useful advice to the OP then. The point is that your device would be no good at all on a Sealine S24.
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Would work well on a Sealine 24, as would the methods I have given for sailing off the hook .It has worked well on my 26 crossing the Pacific, and thru the NW passage .
However, for local sailing, my suggestion for handling it from the cockpit with a sheet winch, would also work well. Suggestions for an all chain rode and a gypsy winch, which others have suggested, would not work as well on a Sealine 24.
So what are your "Better' suggestions, "ex spurt ?"
 
Brent Swain said:
So what are your "Better' suggestions
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I was gonna suggest this:
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with a suitable anchor blu-tak'd to the hook thing.

But I changed my mind and thought I would suggest:

ANSWERING THE OP's QUESTION!

Which was (paraphrased):

"Anybody have any advice about, or experience of, fitting a Vetus RC6 to a Sealine S24 please?"
 
This is great entertainment but I don't think anyone's trying to kedge off a lee shore in the Cook Islands - the Sealine S24 is aiming more at lunch in Osborne Bay.
 
Brent Swain said:
Would work well on a Sealine 24, as would the methods I have given for sailing off the hook .It has worked well on my 26 crossing the Pacific, and thru the NW passage .
However, for local sailing, my suggestion for handling it from the cockpit with a sheet winch, would also work well. Suggestions for an all chain rode and a gypsy winch, which others have suggested, would not work as well on a Sealine 24.
So what are your "Better' suggestions, "ex spurt ?"
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How about one that was actually designed for the boat in question and will fit in the space provided and is not dangerous and does not look like a dogs dinner
 
I have seen some commercial fishboats with the winch in the cockpit, and the rode lead along the side deck. Running the rode aft has some advantages, especially in smaller boats.
 
This has got to be the biggest wind-up thread of the year. Brent Swain=BS=Bull Sh*t. Good effort ;):encouragement:
 
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