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I have a ray marine evolution autopilot linked to nmea2000 backbone. I was told by raymarine at Sibs that I could fit the s100 by cutting off the seatalk plug and connecting to their special cable (yellow) that goes into their seatalk.ng bridge with a yellow centre port. It doesn't work for me. I can't get the remote to find the base station and it looks to me as if the base station is dead. I was so convinced it was dead that I returned it to raymarine who sent it back saying it was fine. I've had no trouble connecting other names 0183 devices through antisense. I'm no expert admittedly but I've managed okay so far but now I'm stumped. Anyone managed it themselves? Please. Thanks. Alan
 
Alan,
I do not fully understand your specific problem, but if it helps, I bought a S100 wireless controller in June last year and spent many hours of faffing attempting to get it to work with no success. I returned it to Raymarine to find that it was defective and it was replaced very promptly, the new one worked straight away. Bad batch perhaps?
Angus
 
Laundryman said:
I have a ray marine evolution autopilot linked to nmea2000 backbone. I was told by raymarine at Sibs that I could fit the s100 by cutting off the seatalk plug and connecting to their special cable (yellow) that goes into their seatalk.ng bridge with a yellow centre port. Thanks. Alan
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I have a ST-STng bridge E22158 which came with a Raystar 125 GPS. It is intended to allow old ST instruments to STng but on page 17 of the manual it states:
"Autopilot restrictions. Important: A SeaTalk autopilot or associated controller must not be connected to the SeaTalk-SeaTalkng converter."
It goes on to say: "SeaTalk Pilot (eg S1, S2 or S3 course computer with ST6002 controller) - This cannot be connected to the converter nor to any device on the converter's Seatalk spur. A SeaTalk autopilot will usually be connected directly to the multifunction display"

Maybe the converter does not have the firmware to handle/convert the AutoPilot commands. Since the S100 base station issues ST commands like an ST6002 panel, perhaps that is the problem.

I do know they did a software update after the 1.01 which I have, but don't know if it extends the range of ST cmds it can convert.

Having re-read your post I see you can't get the remote to talk to the base and the base looks 'dead'. Are you applying power to the ST-STng bridge through one of the white sockets? The base station expects to be powered from ST so you will need +12V to one of the White connectors if it is not already available on the converter. Check also that +12V is available where you have joined the Yellow socketed cable to the base station.


Ray
 
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Ray, , firstly can I thank you for reading thoroughly and understanding my post. You have hit the nail on the head. I have connected the red 12v wire to the spare socket and applied 12v +&-. I have checked the voltage at the base station and don't appear to receiving 12v, indeed it is fluctuating wildly. The led on the bridge is indicating as it should. When I have tested the base station separately by putting 12v directly to it, a small led on the base station itself lights for a few seconds. This has never happened when connected to the backbone. The remote,after searching for network shows,' no link'. If I press pilot it shows, no pilot. I'm wondering whether it is indeed, compatable. Thank you for your help. Alan
 
Well, if it's not getting power it's hardly surprising it doesn't work.

Afraid I'm not familiar with the newer Seatalk systems, only the original. But are you sure you've wired it up correctly? The supposed power line "wildly fluctuating" makes it sound like you've connected it to a seatalk 1 data line instead.

I believe the note in the manual about autopilot systems not being compatible is a red herring; they updated the firmware years ago to fix that.

Pete
 
prv said:
Well, if it's not getting power it's hardly surprising it doesn't work.

Afraid I'm not familiar with the newer Seatalk systems, only the original. But are you sure you've wired it up correctly? The supposed power line "wildly fluctuating" makes it sound like you've connected it to a seatalk 1 data line instead.

I believe the note in the manual about autopilot systems not being compatible is a red herring; they updated the firmware years ago to fix that.

Pete
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Hi, the base station has only 3 wires,red,yellow and shield. That's 2 wires to carry both plus and minus voltage and the info. How does that work? It may not even need a full 12v for all I know. Until someone tells me that they have been successful in getting it to work, and how, I can't see how it can.
 
Laundryman said:
Hi, the base station has only 3 wires,red,yellow and shield. That's 2 wires to carry both plus and minus voltage and the info. How does that work? It may not even need a full 12v for all I know. Until someone tells me that they have been successful in getting it to work, and how, I can't see how it can.
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Red is +12v, shield is 0v, and yellow is the data - it goes up and down relative to 0.

The adapter from the new stuff ought to be producing these three. But you said the 12v line was "fluctuating wildly". If you put a multimeter on the data line that's exactly what it would look like, which is why I suggested double-checking that you haven't mixed up the connections and the one you think is 12v is actually the seatalk 1 data.

Pete
 
There are a number of threads on the US Raymarine support forums with regards to connecting the S100 to an Evolution Autopilot which all state that it should work! (http://raymarine.ning.com/forum/topics/wireless-control-over-ev-100?xg_source=activity) the firmware of the Seatalk to SeatalkNg should be one of the later versions (details are on Raymarine's software update page)(http://www.raymarine.co.uk/view/?id=3767) this will allow the remote control to work as the Autopilot messages will get passed correctly.

I have spoken to Raymarine's technical support and they say that there should only be one power supply to the SeatalkNg network and the remote base station will be powered through the SeatalkNg converter. If you check the wires as stated earlier the red wire of the SeatalkNg lead with a yellow plug is +12v and goes to the corresponding red terminal on the base station. The yellow lead is the Seatalk 1 data and goes to the yellow terminal. The bare shield like wire is connected to the 0v and goes on the grey terminal.

If you look at Raymarine's website on networking there is a diagram showing how the different types of Seatalk 1 and SeatalkNg can be connected together(http://www.raymarine.co.uk/view/?id=400)

It should work as I am about to do the same!
 
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Georgio said:
It's about time Raymarine updated their AP remotes so that they plug directly into STng rather than having all this conversion nonsense. I would have bought one by now if available.
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I'd agree with that. Or if they insist on leaving the remotes on Seatalk 1, they should have a vestigial Seatalk 1 output on the autopilot for use with it. Converters are fair enough when you're integrating old stuff and new, but to need one as part of a brand-new system all bought in one go is silly.

Not that it affects me since Ariam is all Seatalk 1 :)

Pete
 
An update as I said I would. With the help of Prv and others with their detailed instructions, I have successfully wired my s100 remote. In my defence I would say that the Raymarine instructions were not as specific as the ones I received here on this forum. Had they been the installation would be a doddle. Thank you to those that shared their wisdom. I owe you a drink when our paths cross. Alan
 
Laundryman said:
With the help of Prv and others with their detailed instructions, I have successfully wired my s100 remote.
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You mean you connected the right wires together this time? :p :)

Glad it's sorted. I have an S100 as well and it's great to be able to sit on the foredeck while motoring on a calm day and still dodge the lobster pots etc. Or confuse people by altering course with a hand in your pocket :D

Pete
 
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