RYA vs ICC

[E39mad]

You must have done some practical course to get it.

I was assessed by an examiner in one day on board. The theory and exam were separate.

I have 30 years experience of handling sailing yachts in 40 years of sailing with well over 15000 sea miles both racing and cruising plus one ocean crossing. I used to sell and demonstrate sailing yachts for a living in the 1990's.

Whilst this experience gives you no right to an ICC or any other ticket I think the examiner could tell I had handled boats before even though he did not know my sailing history.

 

[alant]

No you do not. You are assessed against the competencies required by the ICC by an RYA approved examiner and the ICC is issued by the RYA.

This makes your post#38 incorrect as well.

Does your limitation in respect of the English language also extend to a difficulty in reading? as all of this information is on the RYA website.

There are of course other bodies that issue ICCs but not aimed at yachtsmen.

So an assessment of a practical nature isn't a course?

Who, is this "rya approved examiner"?
Usually, since I have done such ICC examinations, someone employed by a rya school.

Usual arrogant bilge from you.

 

[alant]

I was assessed by an examiner in one day on board. The theory and exam were separate.

I have 30 years experience of handling sailing yachts in 40 years of sailing with well over 15000 sea miles both racing and cruising plus one ocean crossing. I used to sell and demonstrate sailing yachts for a living in the 1990's.

Whilst this experience gives you no right to an ICC or any other ticket I think the examiner could tell I had handled boats before even though he did not know my sailing history.

Exactly, the icc form,which can be downloaded from the rya site, describes what boat handling is involved + other knowledge needed.

 

[E39mad]

Exactly, the icc form,which can be downloaded from the rya site, describes what boat handling is involved + other knowledge needed.

Just for the record my ICC had nothing to do with the RYA - the examiner was in Croatia and the ICC came from Canada and their course was done online and the exam done in Croatia by the examiner.

 

[macd]

So an assessment of a practical nature isn't a course?

Correct. An assessment of a practical nature is not a course.

Glad we've cleared that up.

 

[Tranona]

So an assessment of a practical nature isn't a course?

Who, is this "rya approved examiner"?
Usually, since I have done such ICC examinations, someone employed by a rya school.

Usual arrogant bilge from you.

As I suspected, even worse when you try and write whole sentences that do not make sense.

No, assessment is not a course - as the word says it is an assessment, in this case of your competence against the requirements of an ICC. To be assessed you do not have to follow any course of study or training.

Please explain exactly what it is that I wrote that you claim is wrong?

Are you not an RYA examiner? Can anybody examine you for an ICC? Do you just ask somebody in a bar to examine you sign the certificate and send it off to the RYA? Do examiners working in sailing schools not have to be qualified to assess?

We must be told!

 

[capnsensible]

Are you not an RYA examiner? Can anybody examine you for an ICC? Do you just ask somebody in a bar to examine you sign the certificate and send it off to the RYA? Do examiners working in sailing schools not have to be qualified to assess?

We must be told!

ICC assessments are carries out at Recognised Training Centres by a qualified Yachtmaster Instructer.

 

[KellysEye]

An ICC is required in Greece Turkey and Croatia, I don't about the other Med countries. Nothing is required in the Caribbean

 

[macd]

ICC assessments are carries out at Recognised Training Centres by a qualified Yachtmaster Instructer.

That's only true of ICCs gaining their provenance from the RYA. There are other UK bodies and (see post #44) other countries.

 

[capnsensible]

That's only true of ICCs gaining their provenance from the RYA. There are other UK bodies and (see post #44) other countries.

Indeed. You will note that I mention Rtcs only. Nowhere else.

 

[duncan99210]

That's only true of ICCs gaining their provenance from the RYA. There are other UK bodies and (see post #44) other countries.

The only other organisation I can find offering ICCs in UK is the British Sub Aqua Club and then only for power boats up to 10m. They offer theirs on presentation of a Dive Boat Coxs certificate. Are there any other groups doing the same thing?

 

[Tranona]

ICC assessments are carries out at Recognised Training Centres by a qualified Yachtmaster Instructer.

Yes, I know. That is the point I was making to alant who seems confused.

 

[Mark-1]

Are there any other groups doing the same thing?

IYT do.

https://www.iytworld.com/courses/international-certificate-of-competency-icc/

 

[E39mad]

IYT do.

https://www.iytworld.com/courses/international-certificate-of-competency-icc/

This is the organisation used by my examiner and who subsequently issued my ICC

 

[macd]

The only other organisation I can find offering ICCs in UK is the British Sub Aqua Club and then only for power boats up to 10m. They offer theirs on presentation of a Dive Boat Coxs certificate. Are there any other groups doing the same thing?

As well as the ones mentioned, British Waterski Federation, or whatever the governing body for that sport is called.

 

[NorthUp]

Apologies for a slight thread drift- I have an ICC for motor, but will eventually charter a yacht in the Med somewhere.
I am experienced with sails, owning and sailing my own yacht for the last eight years. The question for those who have chartered, does anybody in officialdom care about the power/ sail endorsement?

 

[macd]

An ICC is required in Greece Turkey and Croatia, I don't about the other Med countries. Nothing is required in the Caribbean

Do keep up. An ICC is very specifically not required in Croatia. An approved qualification, of which the ICC is but one, is required. Croatia publishes on-line a comprehensive list of recognized qualifications.

Nor is the ICC (as opposed to other evidence of competence) required by law in Greece and Turkey, although in practice it's wise to have one. For both countries the RYA describes it as "recommended".

 

[Mark-1]

Apologies for a slight thread drift- I have an ICC for motor, but will eventually charter a yacht in the Med somewhere.
I am experienced with sails, owning and sailing my own yacht for the last eight years. The question for those who have chartered, does anybody in officialdom care about the power/ sail endorsement?

I'm not sure anyone cares about the ICC at all. I've chartered in France, Greece, Sweden and the UK without any sailing qualifications. From first hand experience there are certainly places in Greece where you need some kind of sailing qualification, but it doesn't always have to be an ICC.

I don't think you'll get a definitive answer for every country on YBW and if you did it can change. So I think you'd need to actually phone the Charter firm at the time of booking in the place you're booking to find out if you need a qualification of any kind and if you do exactly what kind.

 

[Tranona]

I'm not sure anyone cares about the ICC at all. I've chartered in France, Greece, Sweden and the UK without any sailing qualifications. From first hand experience there are certainly places in Greece where you need some kind of sailing qualification, but it doesn't always have to be an ICC.

I don't think you'll get a definitive answer on YBW and if you did it can change so I think you'd need to actually phone the Charter firm at the time of booking in the place you're booking to find out if you need a qualification of any kind and if you do exactly what kind.

Things have changed in Greece and the ICC is now de facto compulsory, both to charter and to get a DEKPA if you keep your boat there. You are right that in past requirements were more variable, but in the last 2/3 years since the government has been trying to exercise more control over boating things have changed. Does not mean, however, that enforcement may still be variable amongst individual Port Police.

 

[macd]

I'm not sure anyone cares about the ICC at all. I've chartered in France, Greece, Sweden and the UK without any sailing qualifications. From first hand experience there are certainly places in Greece where you need some kind of sailing qualification, but it doesn't always have to be an ICC.

I don't think you'll get a definitive answer for every country on YBW and if you did it can change. So I think you'd need to actually phone the Charter firm at the time of booking in the place you're booking to find out if you need a qualification of any kind and if you do exactly what kind.

Your experience perhaps isn't surprising. Neither France, Sweden nor the UK require an ICC.

Greece, inevitably, is different. No-one gets a definitive answer in Greece, where different port police offices routinely have differing interpretations of their own rules. Equally, charter outfits are commonly treated differently from everyone else, perhaps through local arrangements. I can tell you that if you want to cruise your own boat in Greece, which requires a specific permit, an ICC is definitely a very good idea as it is the only one recognized (in both senses of the word) by many officials. On the other hand, other documents, including UK car driving licences, have been accepted.

To add further spice to the mix, Greece does not formally recognise the ICC, inasmuch as it is not a signatory to the convention which created it. And, yes, I am talking about the same country where Western logic was born.