Seven Spades
Well-known member
If this has been posted already I appologise but if you have not done so please send the RYA feed back on the new proposed laws. They have an on-line form here
RYA Survey - Alcohol limits.
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“exclusion limits proposed by Government of 'up to 7 metres in length and/or not capable of exceeding 7 knots'”.
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Not capable of exceeding 7 knots will create ambiguity for small yacht sailors. Most small yachts will occasionally reach this speed when pushed but will cruise more slowly 95% of the time.
Maybe a better exclusion phrase would be “not routinely operated in excess of 8 knots”. If the law applies to “manmade waterborne vehicles” this will ensure jetski and RIB drivers will know the law applies to them which surely is where the new regulations are most needed.
“exclusion limits proposed by Government of 'up to 7 metres in length and/or not capable of exceeding 7 knots'”.
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Not capable of exceeding 7 knots will create ambiguity for small yacht sailors. Most small yachts will occasionally reach this speed when pushed but will cruise more slowly 95% of the time.
Maybe a better exclusion phrase would be “not routinely operated in excess of 8 knots”. If the law applies to “manmade waterborne vehicles” this will ensure jetski and RIB drivers will know the law applies to them which surely is where the new regulations are most needed.
ccscott49
Active member
So whats being said is, if you are in a boat under 7 meters and not capable of more than 7 knots, you can be pissed as a parrot and not be chrged under this legislation?
Great! I'll get a smaller boat and cause mayhem!
Great! I'll get a smaller boat and cause mayhem!
I think the problem is the great minds of the judiciary prefer to squander £100,000's in Court time and fees debating whether a jetski is a maritime vessel, so at the moment jetskis are effectively outlaw craft. Couple this will incompetent liberal do-gooders as typified by Patricia Hewitt and the end result will be new boating drink laws that persecute those who were not a problem in the first place while the real anti-social culprits continue to operate beyond the law.
charles_reed
Active member
Talk about muddled thinking
operating a boat under the influence of drink has been an offence since 1896 - before drinking and driving motor vehicles had even been invented.
The proposal merely sets an objective limit, in line with motoring law, as to what is drunk and what isn't.
The original proposal came up about 3 years ago, in an announcement by the ex Deputy Prime Minister.
The bugbear is not the legislation but the cost of enforcing it, which we will have to bear, either as yotties or as tax-payers.
In its normal up-to-the-minute manner, the RYA is suggesting testing the bolt after the horse has gone and the been stall firmly locked.
operating a boat under the influence of drink has been an offence since 1896 - before drinking and driving motor vehicles had even been invented.
The proposal merely sets an objective limit, in line with motoring law, as to what is drunk and what isn't.
The original proposal came up about 3 years ago, in an announcement by the ex Deputy Prime Minister.
The bugbear is not the legislation but the cost of enforcing it, which we will have to bear, either as yotties or as tax-payers.
In its normal up-to-the-minute manner, the RYA is suggesting testing the bolt after the horse has gone and the been stall firmly locked.
oughtoc
New member
Re: Talk about muddled thinking
Responded anyway - as is, the law in unenforcable and therefore a waste of time & money.
Responded anyway - as is, the law in unenforcable and therefore a waste of time & money.
charles_reed
Active member
Re: Talk about muddled thinking
Unless, of course, they decide to have a Maritime Police Force.
Then we'd all have to have statutory licences so they had something to take away.
Never underestimate the zeal and energy of the Scots non-Conformist, or the desire to "improve" our moral code, and charge us for the privilege.
Unless, of course, they decide to have a Maritime Police Force.
Then we'd all have to have statutory licences so they had something to take away.
Never underestimate the zeal and energy of the Scots non-Conformist, or the desire to "improve" our moral code, and charge us for the privilege.
alldownwind
New member
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If this has been posted already I appologise but if you have not done so please send the RYA feed back on the new proposed laws. They have an on-line form here
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What planet are the RYA on? If they want a survey done why on earth don't they at least email all their members about it?
If this has been posted already I appologise but if you have not done so please send the RYA feed back on the new proposed laws. They have an on-line form here
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What planet are the RYA on? If they want a survey done why on earth don't they at least email all their members about it?
ashanta
New member
Over the ground or over the water. My boat (31ft ex racing yacht) has a hull speed of 6.5 knots so if no tide present it will not exceed this speed.
alldownwind
New member
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Over the ground or over the water. My boat (31ft ex racing yacht) has a hull speed of 6.5 knots so if no tide present it will not exceed this speed.
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Makes no difference, you're longer than 7 metres!
Over the ground or over the water. My boat (31ft ex racing yacht) has a hull speed of 6.5 knots so if no tide present it will not exceed this speed.
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Makes no difference, you're longer than 7 metres!
Dalliance
New member
"Up to 7m and/OR not capable fo exceeding 7kt" therefore above 7m but incapable fo exceeding 7kt fits in with the exemption.
rickp
Active member
Except that what Ladyman said in his written reply to Parliament was:
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Having taken account of all these representations, I have decided to propose that the exception under section 80 should apply to those persons exercising a function in connection with the navigation of a vessel which is less than 7 metres in length and is not capable of a maximum speed of over 7 knots.
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No 'or' mentioned - so the only exception proposed is for craft less than 7 metres in length that can not do more than 7 knots. If your craft is more than 7 metres or can do more than 7 knots - the proposed law will apply.
The truth is that we won't know either way until we see the proposed changes to section 80 of the Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003.
Rick
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Having taken account of all these representations, I have decided to propose that the exception under section 80 should apply to those persons exercising a function in connection with the navigation of a vessel which is less than 7 metres in length and is not capable of a maximum speed of over 7 knots.
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No 'or' mentioned - so the only exception proposed is for craft less than 7 metres in length that can not do more than 7 knots. If your craft is more than 7 metres or can do more than 7 knots - the proposed law will apply.
The truth is that we won't know either way until we see the proposed changes to section 80 of the Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003.
Rick
Major Catastrophe
New member
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If this has been posted already I appologise but if you have not done so please send the RYA feed back on the new proposed laws. They have an on-line form here
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What planet are the RYA on? If they want a survey done why on earth don't they at least email all their members about it?
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I responded but found that my reasoned 961 character reply was rejected because the form only accepts replies up to 600 characters.
I then filled in the RYA complaint form but that didn't work as my rant about their 600 character limit was also rejected. I sent them a cut down rant, pointing out that I wouldn't be quite so peed off, if they stated on the form that replies must be no more than 600 characters long.
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If this has been posted already I appologise but if you have not done so please send the RYA feed back on the new proposed laws. They have an on-line form here
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What planet are the RYA on? If they want a survey done why on earth don't they at least email all their members about it?
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I responded but found that my reasoned 961 character reply was rejected because the form only accepts replies up to 600 characters.
I then filled in the RYA complaint form but that didn't work as my rant about their 600 character limit was also rejected. I sent them a cut down rant, pointing out that I wouldn't be quite so peed off, if they stated on the form that replies must be no more than 600 characters long.
Genoa
Member
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Maybe a better exclusion phrase would be “not routinely operated in excess of 8 knots”. If the law applies to “manmade waterborne vehicles” this will ensure jetski and RIB drivers will know the law applies to them which surely is where the new regulations are most needed.
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Is your yacht not 'man made?' I don't think this is sensible at all.
If my rib (6metre) is being operated with the auxilary, I can do a max of 4 knots.
If my sportsboat (racing sailboat) is driven by a 5hp outboard I can do 8 knots so if I drink and drive the rib, using the auxilary I shouldn't be affected but on the sportsboat I am???
Crazy - legislation written by folks who have no understanding of reality!
Maybe a better exclusion phrase would be “not routinely operated in excess of 8 knots”. If the law applies to “manmade waterborne vehicles” this will ensure jetski and RIB drivers will know the law applies to them which surely is where the new regulations are most needed.
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Is your yacht not 'man made?' I don't think this is sensible at all.
If my rib (6metre) is being operated with the auxilary, I can do a max of 4 knots.
If my sportsboat (racing sailboat) is driven by a 5hp outboard I can do 8 knots so if I drink and drive the rib, using the auxilary I shouldn't be affected but on the sportsboat I am???
Crazy - legislation written by folks who have no understanding of reality!
Searush
New member
The law is an ass . . .
This just reinforces my opinion of politicians.
Any one written a good letter to their MP that they would be prepared to post that would be easy to cut/paste & edit? If every one on here sends a letter to their MP & encourages their mates/ crew/ club members/ relatives/ neighbours & Uncle Tom Cobbley to send one in as well, then said MP's will wet themselves. They will be so scared of losing their seats they will abstain or vote against the stupid bill.
This just reinforces my opinion of politicians.
Any one written a good letter to their MP that they would be prepared to post that would be easy to cut/paste & edit? If every one on here sends a letter to their MP & encourages their mates/ crew/ club members/ relatives/ neighbours & Uncle Tom Cobbley to send one in as well, then said MP's will wet themselves. They will be so scared of losing their seats they will abstain or vote against the stupid bill.
Andrew_Fanner
New member
Lets see now. 30' of little narrowboat at 3.5 knots and three pints at lunchtime gets you in BIG toruble.
How daft is that?
How daft is that?