dgadee
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We need a vote on this.
RYA Spring Magazine - 'Star Letter'
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We need a vote on this.
webcraft
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If you think I am worked up then you probably don't frequent the Lounge much.
This is quite relaxing by comparison. I thought it should be in SB because the RYA mag is pretty boaty - or at least, I thought it was.
- W
dgadee
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Accusing people of outright lying is relaxed? Might land you with a defamation action, methinks.
onesea
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To be honest I had lost interest in this thread along time ago, I was just glancing buy to see how much of a slanging you where getting. It raised a small smile and it does seem people have to think your way.
You say you teach sailing? My way or the gangway is it?
vyv_cox
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I cannot say I support your environmentalist views to any great extent but I totally agree with you over this letter. As you say, there is rarely more than a handful of letters in the magazine but surely they must receive many more than that? It is therefore difficult to understand the selection process that led to the inclusion of a letter that contains only the slightest boating reference.
Heckler
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Yawn Yawn!
Stu
DaveS
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+1
(I'm probably a bit further along the environmental spectrum - but a paler green than Webby. However, that is not the point.)
Whiskey Bravo
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How can Webby be ''green'' when he's wasted megawatts of energy over a nonsense subject?
Tomahawk
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You rasise a number iof interesting issues..
I think it takes more than a couple of dollars a day to be wealthy.. But once you have home that is secure and weather proof with running water in the house together with sanitation you have are becoming wealthy. Certainly anyone living in the UK has the benefit of all those. Money for food and clothing and heat makes you well off. SpRe money to buy a computer and persue a hobby, like sailing, pidgeon fancying or environmentalism, you are becoming wealthy.. BTW, I was complimenting you on achieving all the above... The fact that you seem to consider it abuse does seem to indicate a very insecure sense on perspective.
As to the poor caring for the environment, I have never heard of poor people campaigning for windfarms or trying to stop boats anchoring because it may upset a seahorseor building wetland bird sanctuaries on the best agricultural land in the South East... No, the poor don't care for "the" environment, they care for their bit of environment from which they eek a living.
webcraft
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I don't consider it abuse at all and am proud of what I have achieved - largely because I have achieved it taking care to cause minimum harm to others in the process. However, in terms of the modern game of accumulating wealth on the premise that 'he who dies with the most toys wins' (much favoured on here) I am afraid I am an abject failure
In a recent post someone on here listed their major posessions - three properties, porsche, another big expensive car, more cars, two boats and a few other things - then went on to say 'but I don't consider myself a wealthy man'. Of course you are right, it is all relative and true poverty probably starts with real hunger. Beyond that and the old 'count your blessings' advice I am not sure there is much to glean. There are plenty of people living in what we would consider as abject poverty who are more cheerful on a daily basis and and less resentful of their lot than many of the Porsche and property owning types on here seem to be.
Did you watch the Amazon documentary? The Amazon is no-one's 'back yard', surely, I don't want to insult your intelligence by pointing out that being poor does not equate with being stupid. The downtrodden rural poor are capable of co-ordinated action over a wide area once they have access to cheap modern communications. The internet is more of a leveller than any technology since (and probably including) the printing press - something that many of the conventionally wealthy and powerful are still having some difficulty coming to terms with.
- W
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DaveS
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Firstly I would point out that the megawatt (MW) is a unit of power, not energy. Secondly, I would suggest that a bit of extra traffic on this forum will indeed increase energy use both by the hosting server and by posters' computers, but by rather less than your presumably emotive (as opposed to plainly wrong) terminology would suggest.
Tomahawk
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Now sit down and take a very deep breath...
then a big shot if whisky... because this is the second time I agree with you....
Not got a telly, we are living on our not too big boat without enough space for a TV...
However, I think you are talking at crossed purposes Cerrtainly poor does not equal stupid but I am questioning the extent to which the rural poor as well as other people in poverty have time to care for the environment in an abstract sense such as general campaigning for windfarms to stop global warming as opposed to trying to protect their own way of life and the land from which they hunt their food. Certainly it pays to use the internet to stop illegal logging if that will soon deprive you of your home, but do they campaign to stop hotel develoment in Turkey where the loggerhead turtles nest? Or stop a road being built because the is a rare slime mould?
webcraft
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No, they don't. These are 'middle class' pastimes by and large. Doesn't make them a bad thing. But if everyone looked after their own patch more assertively the need for such groups would wither away . . .
The youtube vid I posted is the whole documentary - worth a watch if you are at a loose end. Al Jazeera produce some excellent programmes.
- W
Tomahawk
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Well so we have it from the horses mouth..
Campaigning to protect the environment in the UK is by and large a middle class pastime for the wealthy.. Something more respectable than watching East Enders or following the footie...
Of couse the middle classes, being relatively wealthy do not suffer the economic consequences of their hobby... If the UK were to push for the maximum wind powe capacity, it would put up the price of power and do a lot of harm to what littlle industry we still have... The people who would sufer are the general workforce who would loose their jobs to foreign competition powered by cheep coal power... China comes to mind....
In terms of a true global environment, everything made in China is an ecological disaster because they use dirty coal power.
webcraft
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Your assertions about China are not entirely true. China knows it is filthy but has a plan to deal with it. Neither statement is true of the UK.
Surely you knew I knew about the earnest middle classes and their NIMBY 'environmentalism' ; I've berated organisations like the RSPB and NT on here often enough.
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Whiskey Bravo
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I bow to your obviously superior grasp of terminology, but not to your lack of a sense of humour. Perhaps I should have included a 'smiley' to indicate a joke
