RYA qualifications confusion

rtboss1 said:
Any one that has done any course before 2011 should look after their certificates,as the RYA did not keep any records before this date, neither did the schools that carried them out that's if they are still in business.
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Surly this cant be right.

The RYA manage the system on behalf of the MCA. They must keep a record for any commercial certification they have issued.
Certificate #, Date Of Issue, Plus Continued Proficiency Endorsement.

If not then an RYA certificate is quite literally not worth the paper its printed on.
How could you hire someone with a certificate the validity of which cannot be verified. Anyone could just print their own.
(its been done with full MCA certificates, So employers check)
 
Uricanejack said:
Surly this cant be right.

The RYA manage the system on behalf of the MCA. They must keep a record for any commercial certification they have issued.
Certificate #, Date Of Issue, Plus Continued Proficiency Endorsement.

If not then an RYA certificate is quite literally not worth the paper its printed on.
How could you hire someone with a certificate the validity of which cannot be verified. Anyone could just print their own.
(its been done with full MCA certificates, So employers check)
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There's a distinction between the Certificates of Competency that can be commercially endorsed and the little bits of card you got at the end of a course to stick in your log book. I would trust they have records of all the former - apart from anything else they have a serial number. I'm not sure 2011 is the correct date for when they started keeping a central register of the latter - the examples given were from the 80s & 90s but there obviously is a date when it started. They certainly had a record of my VHF cert from 2000 as they gave the details to the Irish government a few years later and I got a letter from the Minister of Marine asking if I wanted to swap it for a nice shiny new Irish one.

In the end it doesn't really matter regarding the old course completion certs. A First Aid Cert from that period will have expired anyway. If someone passed a Day Skipper in 1990 and hasn't sailed since the knowledge will have expired. If they've had their own boat since then and skippered regularly it would be very suprising if they couldn't just pass a proper YM Offshore exam if they absolutely needed a cert for some reason and if they don't need a cert, again what's the problem.
 
Uricanejack said:
Surly this cant be right.

The RYA manage the system on behalf of the MCA. They must keep a record for any commercial certification they have issued.
Certificate #, Date Of Issue, Plus Continued Proficiency Endorsement.

If not then an RYA certificate is quite literally not worth the paper its printed on.
How could you hire someone with a certificate the validity of which cannot be verified. Anyone could just print their own.
(its been done with full MCA certificates, So employers check)
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I understand that the RYA do keep records of all people with Commercially Endorsed tickets.
 
Just out of interest, do RYA certificates expire? I seem to remember when I did mine that they were for life, the instructor ones required valid first aid but no re testing.

Bet that’s changed to keep the blazer wearers in work..
 
An interesting question. As far as I know the certificate is valid indefinitely and does not expire.

The STCW continued proficiency endorsements. Usually Requires renewal every 5 years. 12 months seatime in 5 years is required along with a new Manila 2010 embuggarence to refresh emergency duty training every 5 years.
The original certificate does not expire. The certificate is not valid for use until a CPE is renewed.
The requirements to renew without 12 months seatime may include sailing in a SN capacity and or an Oral exam.

I am not sure what the specific requirements to renew a CPE on an RYA certificate are. I am not familiar with the RYA. The RYA does not use seatime to qualify for certification the RYA uses mileage. How the RYA manages CPE renewals is a mystery.

Another interesting question if you have an older than 5 year YM. Can you just do the commercial endorsements and be good to go. For the next 5 years. I presume you can. I have never seen anything to sugest your original YM would not be valid or additional requirements for YM’s greater than 5 year old.
 
I was told several times that the RYA kept no records of qualification back in the 90s. They were also woefully chaotic in the handling of paperwork. I took YM Offshore and Ocean simultaneously (a long story) but when the certificates arrived, one was YM Ocean and the other Day Skipper. When I complained, they sent me a second Ocean certificate instead of the Offshore. I now style myself YM Ocean and bar.

Around 2000 I sent in one of my YM certificates to get an ICC which duly arrived, minus the original certificate. After a series of phone calls the missing ticket was found under a pile of papers on someone's desk.
 
snowleopard said:
I was told several times that the RYA kept no records of qualification back in the 90s. They were also woefully chaotic in the handling of paperwork. I took YM Offshore and Ocean simultaneously (a long story) but when the certificates arrived, one was YM Ocean and the other Day Skipper. When I complained, they sent me a second Ocean certificate instead of the Offshore. I now style myself YM Ocean and bar.

Around 2000 I sent in one of my YM certificates to get an ICC which duly arrived, minus the original certificate. After a series of phone calls the missing ticket was found under a pile of papers on someone's desk.
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I was thinking the other day that we'd not heard much from snowleopard for a while, glad to see your alive and posting :)
 
capnsensible said:
You do not get a YM Coastal pass as a consolation prize if you fail the Offshore exam. You must specify which exam you wish to be tested at. A school will be able to advise. Try ringing somewhere local or pay them a visit.
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Perhaps you do not award the consolations but I know without doubt that some examiners do - possibly outwith RYA regulations.
 
Quiddle said:
Perhaps you do not award the consolations but I know without doubt that some examiners do - possibly outwith RYA regulations.
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Sorry but I doubt your without doubt. I'm not an examiner but know loads in the last twenty years of prepping candidates for the exams. It's quite clear how the examination system works. Unless is was an own boat exam, such a situation would involve the collusion of a school. Just can't see that happening I'm afraid.
 
snowleopard said:
I was told several times that the RYA kept no records of qualification back in the 90s. They were also woefully chaotic in the handling of paperwork. I took YM Offshore and Ocean simultaneously (a long story) but when the certificates arrived, one was YM Ocean and the other Day Skipper. When I complained, they sent me a second Ocean certificate instead of the Offshore. I now style myself YM Ocean and bar.

Around 2000 I sent in one of my YM certificates to get an ICC which duly arrived, minus the original certificate. After a series of phone calls the missing ticket was found under a pile of papers on someone's desk.
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What is an ICC please? And what does it entitle you to do. My RN quals allow me to apply for one.
Edit. To say, found explanation on RYA website. Thanks.
 
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capnsensible said:
Sorry but I doubt your without doubt. I'm not an examiner but know loads in the last twenty years of prepping candidates for the exams. It's quite clear how the examination system works. Unless is was an own boat exam, such a situation would involve the collusion of a school. Just can't see that happening I'm afraid.
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I know it's only anecdotal but when I did my YM test, one of the candidates going for YM Offshore was given Coastal. And this despite/because of the examiner having to intervene to prevent my to the candidates putting the boat into Bramble Bank. This was on a school boat.
 
Shame, really. I'm happy that any student I've ever prepped have been assessed in a correctly conducted test and have deserved their qualification with examiners who know what they are doing.
 
East Cardinal said:
What is an ICC please? And what does it entitle you to do. My RN quals allow me to apply for one.
Edit. To say, found explanation on RYA website. Thanks.
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I got mine when heading out on an Atlantic circuit because I had heard that Spanish officials might demand one. I was never asked for it and let it lapse after the 5 year life.
 
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