RYA and Coronavirus advice? Any ideas?

[mickywillis]

Has the RYA given any indication on their views regarding the Coronavirus outbreak?
Our club is due to self launch in 2 weeks time, so appx 70 boats going in over the weekend.
Lots of people will be around, a minimum of 3 x persons to a boat for launching, plus safety personnel, tractor drivers, compound team etc.
So basically a gathering of possibly 100 people, though not all in the same place at the same time.
I'm not that keen attending as I'm on the "at risk" list and I know that the majority of the people there are between 30 and 70 years old.

What do you all thinks? Postpone or go ahead?

 

[Praxinoscope]

Nothing definite about our launch in April yet, similar to O.P. launch, but general consensus seems to be that it won't happen.

 

[V1701]

The way things are going you probably won't even have the choice...

 

[Sharky34]

Has the RYA given any indication on their views regarding the Coronavirus outbreak?
Our club is due to self launch in 2 weeks time, so appx 70 boats going in over the weekend.
Lots of people will be around, a minimum of 3 x persons to a boat for launching, plus safety personnel, tractor drivers, compound team etc.
So basically a gathering of possibly 100 people, though not all in the same place at the same time.
I'm not that keen attending as I'm on the "at risk" list and I know that the majority of the people there are between 30 and 70 years old.

What do you all thinks? Postpone or go ahead?

Wassit got to do with the RYA, use your common sense & listen to the Chief Medical Officer etc, keep away from other people, bloody stupid to ignore just to play boats.
Its the rest of your life + any others you might pass any virus onto (possibly family).

Coronavirus: Italian doctors warn COVID-19 can make young people seriously ill

 

[SaltIre]

Has the RYA given any indication on their views regarding the Coronavirus outbreak?
Our club is due to self launch in 2 weeks time, so appx 70 boats going in over the weekend.
Lots of people will be around, a minimum of 3 x persons to a boat for launching, plus safety personnel, tractor drivers, compound team etc.
So basically a gathering of possibly 100 people, though not all in the same place at the same time.
I'm not that keen attending as I'm on the "at risk" list and I know that the majority of the people there are between 30 and 70 years old.

What do you all thinks? Postpone or go ahead?

Why not stay away to look after yourself and others?

 

[mickywillis]

Wassit got to do with the RYA, use your common sense & listen to the Chief Medical Officer etc, keep away from other people, bloody stupid to ignore just to play boats.
Its the rest of your life + any others you might pass any virus onto (possibly family).

Coronavirus: Italian doctors warn COVID-19 can make young people seriously ill

We are an RYA affiliated club thats what it has to do with them!!
Seeking guidance not lecture. I know the risks as I'm on the at risk list and at present our club wants to.launch on the allocated date. I'm trying to find out what the RTA's take is on the matter as nothing as yet on their website from what I can see?

 

[duncan99210]

We are an RYA affiliated club thats what it has to do with them!!
Seeking guidance not lecture. I know the risks as I'm on the at risk list and at present our club wants to.launch on the allocated date. I'm trying to find out what the RTA's take is on the matter as nothing as yet on their website from what I can see?

At present it’s got nothing to do with any advice the RYA might offer and everything to do with what the government is saying. They’ve just shut all the social centres down, pubs, clubs, restaurants and gyms. They’ve said don’t make unnecessary trips. They‘ve said don’t gather together unless absolutely necessary.
Seems pretty simple to me: cancel the relaunch and do as you’ve been told. Stop thinking that somehow the guidance doesn’t apply to your activity. It does. Even the churches have moved onto the internet.

 

[Sharky34]

No, b

We are an RYA affiliated club thats what it has to do with them!!
Seeking guidance not lecture. I know the risks as I'm on the at risk list and at present our club wants to.launch on the allocated date. I'm trying to find out what the RTA's take is on the matter as nothing as yet on their website from what I can see?

No, being an affiliated club, whatever that means, doesn't mean the RYA has any responsiblity for irresponsible stupidity.
If the RYA were an insurance company, I doubt they would pay out when you have knowingly ignored what is government advice/regulation.
How much "guidance" do you want/expect?

 

[Motor_Sailor]

At present it’s got nothing to do with any advice the RYA might offer

But every other sport's National Governing Body has given their affiliated clubs guidance on what they should do, based on the Governments Guidelines.

It's why they're called Governing Bodies - to give a lead to their memebers who pay their wages. Not an unreasonable request.

 

[duncan99210]

OK, I’ve looked at the RYA website here RYA suspends organised activity in light of coronavirus spread and it basically says do what the government tells you to do along with saying they’ve cancelled all course and events. There’s a link on that page to their guidance for clubs, which essentially repeats the advice: stop all club activities.
And I do know about the governing bodies bit: I’m secretary of one of the local gig clubs and the CPGA advises us to cease all activities as of a week back Friday.

 

[Old Harry]

Has the RYA given any indication on their views regarding the Coronavirus outbreak?
Our club is due to self launch in 2 weeks time, so appx 70 boats going in over the weekend.
Lots of people will be around, a minimum of 3 x persons to a boat for launching, plus safety personnel, tractor drivers, compound team etc.
So basically a gathering of possibly 100 people, though not all in the same place at the same time.
I'm not that keen attending as I'm on the "at risk" list and I know that the majority of the people there are between 30 and 70 years old.

What do you all thinks? Postpone or go ahead?

More SB than BPO

 

[RJJ]

I would love to say: take your chances and accept the consequences. But I am a card-carrying, Ayn Rand fan libertarian, I don't think we should have an NHS or pay taxes.

At this stage of the game, I would suggest postponing the launch or at least, as a high-risk person, not taking part in it.

The economy is being trashed largely in order to protect those most vulnerable to CV19 and specifically so that socialised medicine has some chance of meeting demand. There's much I disagree about, but given we are in a country that has NHS and is imposing martial law, I would consider it odd to put your sailing season ahead of the consequences to others, let alone yourself). Healthcare workers, other vulnerable people, poor old taxpayers desperately need the situation to normalise.

 

[Just_sayin']

Launch a boat, risk a life.

I don't need guidance on that.

 

[wallacebob]

Our club was meant to crane in 11 April; postponed/cancelled due to risks to members. Government advice is clear, and a State of Emergency is imminent, so its a correct decision.
I have realised I won’t be sailing this year. Better to just get that in my head, and get on with other things.

 

[ShinyShoe]

I'm sure I shouldn't reply. But this is beyond daft!

I would love to say: take your chances and accept the consequences. But I am a card-carrying, Ayn Rand fan libertarian, I don't think we should have an NHS or pay taxes.

So presumably your concept is you either pay for what you use, or pay into an insurance of your choosing. So you'd then expect private hospitals to develop sufficient resource to deal with a once in 100years incident?

At this stage of the game, I would suggest postponing the launch or at least, as a high-risk person, not taking part in it.

Completely agree.

The economy is being trashed largely in order to protect those most vulnerable to CV19 and specifically so that socialised medicine has some chance of meeting demand.

Actually. Some of it is to protect the health of those needing an ICU bed for other reasons who won't be able to get a bed because a COVID-19 patient is in it. No matter how much money you have that won't mean you can buy a bed. You will die.

There's much I disagree about, but given we are in a country that has NHS and is imposing martial law, I would consider it odd to put your sailing season ahead of the consequences to others, let alone yourself). Healthcare workers, other vulnerable people, poor old taxpayers desperately need the situation to normalise.

Yes so I think we are in agreement about the launch.

I'm interested in the case study of a country managing this without martial law with private medical cover...

Either way - if you can't maintain a 2m distance without touching surfaces touched by other people - it isn't safe

(Sent from self isolation due to symptoms - I work in the NHS. So does my partner. I'm off for7 days minimum. She is off for 14. I should be fine as I'm fit and well and younger than the Average yachtie at a launch. But my absence at work and hers will impact capacity. In two weeks time we can expect 2^4 more cases. That's 16 times more NHS staff excluded. My team of 16 was 3down on Friday. I might be the only one left in 2 weeks. Hope you don't need specialist treatment from our team if you think launching makes sense...

 

[Graham376]

Clubs have a duty of care to their members and to allow any organised event in the present climate is folly. Taking a trailer sailor down to the slip personally would I think be acceptable but a launch day with multiple boats and people is asking for trouble/infection.

 

[RJJ]

I'm sure I shouldn't reply. But this is beyond daft!
So presumably your concept is you either pay for what you use, or pay into an insurance of your choosing. So you'd then expect private hospitals to develop sufficient resource to deal with a once in 100years incident?


Completely agree.


Actually. Some of it is to protect the health of those needing an ICU bed for other reasons who won't be able to get a bed because a COVID-19 patient is in it. No matter how much money you have that won't mean you can buy a bed. You will die.



Yes so I think we are in agreement about the launch.

I'm interested in the case study of a country managing this without martial law with private medical cover...

Either way - if you can't maintain a 2m distance without touching surfaces touched by other people - it isn't safe

(Sent from self isolation due to symptoms - I work in the NHS. So does my partner. I'm off for7 days minimum. She is off for 14. I should be fine as I'm fit and well and younger than the Average yachtie at a launch. But my absence at work and hers will impact capacity. In two weeks time we can expect 2^4 more cases. That's 16 times more NHS staff excluded. My team of 16 was 3down on Friday. I might be the only one left in 2 weeks. Hope you don't need specialist treatment from our team if you think launching makes sense...

Since you ask, we would be able to deal with the situation with far greater confidence and far fewer unintended consequences. Knowing that over-70s and those with pre-existing conditions are higher risk, they would decide whether (a) to self-isolate, and I mean really self-isolate (b) review their health insurance for pandemic coverage or (c) take their chances without expecting to dump the costs on others.

If you insist we have social responsibility here, we could offer all high-risk people a twice-weekly delivery of essentials from a Deliveroo in full PPE in disinfected packaging. In return for incarcerating them in their homes.

So much for the thought experiment. We don't live in such a world, but a world in which costs of healthcare are socialised. High-risk groups in particular should therefore be expected to accept responsibility. All respectable socialist philosophers admit they envisage erosion of liberty, which is where we agree. Given the world we live in, best not to do activities like group launching of yachts.

 

[mickywillis]

I thank you all for your replies.

I myself am happy NOT to launch.

BUT due to specialists works being carried out on the sea wall and slipway we use to launch, it would mean that EVEN if we could launch after April/May/June, we couldn't because of the sea wall works (IF they go ahead?) until probably July/August, so totally screws up the sailing year.
Also IF boat was launched in April, it lives on a swinging mooring. Should anything happen on the mooring (breaks loose, vandalised, sunk,,etc) and we are in lockdown with no Non Essential travel (I live 60 miles away from boat) then I wouldn't be able to get to it to rectify any issues, so yet another case for not launching.

As it stands, there will be review at the club in the next week to decide... I know what my vote is!!

 

[ex-Gladys]

Interesting, I'm also a caravanner and both the major UK wide clubs closing all their sites until at least 30 June... I've looked for info from many of the East Coast Marinas... Not a squeak. Nothing about use of facilities ( the caravan clubs had previously said the toilet and shower blocks would be closed). It appears to me that Marine businesses may have their heads stuck where the sun don't shine?

 

[Cantata]

Interesting, I'm also a caravanner and both the major UK wide clubs closing all their sites until at least 30 June... I've looked for info from many of the East Coast Marinas... Not a squeak. Nothing about use of facilities ( the caravan clubs had previously said the toilet and shower blocks would be closed). It appears to me that Marine businesses may have their heads stuck where the sun don't shine?

My marina at Conyer has effectively closed at the moment. Berth holders are allowed in to work on their boats, but the office, loos and professional yard all closed, and all booked visiting cruises have been cancelled.