RTIR collision help please

[savageseadog]

Please don't take me wrong here - but weren't you racing ?
Is sailing the only racing sport that can claim off another entrant for an accident ?
Its not that I don't feel for you but in the years that I did various motor sports I never heard of anyone claiming off another competitor it was just an accepted hazard of the sport .

That's why there should have been a protest. It's not an "accident" if the rules are breached. The protest committee will apportion blame or indeed possibly determine that there was no one to blame. I suspect it's too late for a protest and the other boat would have had to have been hailed and protest flag flown etc.

Under the Racing Rules of Sailing :


1.1 Helping Those in Danger
A boat or competitor shall give all possible help to any person or
vessel in danger

 

[Talulah]

There must be enough people on these forums to cover off most of the marinas.
Could we have volunteers from each marina to walk the pontoons looking for boats with front end damage?
If we had a concerted effort from peeps on here I'm confident we would have a good chance of locating the offending boat. If I had suffered just such an impact I would be very grateful for folks rallying around. Irrespective of who was at fault.
The OP is from Devon so not easy for him to do by himself.
Ideally take a camera and post photos of boats with front end damage.

 

[sighmoon]

The other yacht is in clear breach of a legal requirement to stop and exchange details and not to proceed until it is clear that assistance is not required.
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) requires the master of any ship involved in a collision to stand by and offer assistance to the other vessel:
Article 98 - Duty to render assistance

....(c) after a collision, to render assistance to the other ship, its crew and
its passengers and, where possible, to inform the other ship of the
name of his own ship, its port of registry and the nearest port at which
it will call.

That may be so, but seeing as he lost part of his bow in the melee, it's possible he had a falling mast and a large hole of his own to deal with. It's a bit early to be accusing him of anything - I suspect he'll own up in due course.

 

[yoda]

There are a number of comments that perhaps need to be addressed. I believe there is a legal requirement to try and exchange details. I was not in a position to remain in the area because of the position I was in however I have reported the incident and would expect the other boat to do the same so that it can be sorted out. He may have also suffered significant damage and may have had to make urgent repairs or make for port - I accept that this is the case. For what it's worth I am now narrowing down the search and believe the responsible boat may be one of 3 in the class. The casting from the stem head roller is quite distinctive and if anybody with an Oceanis 350 or First 375 could look at the attached photo I believe you will see that it is the center part of the fitting which sits immediately in front of the forestay. (I have show it with the drop nose pin fitted the wrong way round in the photo)

Yoda

 

[Cookee]

Might have missed it - have you contacted the Coastguard as well as the race officials?

 

[johnsail]

There are a number of comments that perhaps need to be addressed. I believe there is a legal requirement to try and exchange details. I was not in a position to remain in the area because of the position I was in however I have reported the incident and would expect the other boat to do the same so that it can be sorted out. He may have also suffered significant damage and may have had to make urgent repairs or make for port - I accept that this is the case. For what it's worth I am now narrowing down the search and believe the responsible boat may be one of 3 in the class. The casting from the stem head roller is quite distinctive and if anybody with an Oceanis 350 or First 375 could look at the attached photo I believe you will see that it is the center part of the fitting which sits immediately in front of the forestay. (I have show it with the drop nose pin fitted the wrong way round in the photo)

Yoda

only two boats of these types did not finish.

 

[yoda]

Any help would be great

I have been careful not to point fingures because I do appreciate he may have been damaged himself. That said I am still waiting to hear from the ISC to see if anybody else has come forward (they hadn't on Saturday). If you see a boat with damage to the stem head fitting that may fit the bill then a boat name would be helpful. As somebody has pointed out three boats potentially fit the bill for having the right stemhead fitting (ISCRS Class 6a) so if you know any of them to be berthed near you a quick look may just rule them out for me. Many Thanks.

Yoda

 

[yoda]

There must be enough people on these forums to cover off most of the marinas.
Could we have volunteers from each marina to walk the pontoons looking for boats with front end damage?
If we had a concerted effort from peeps on here I'm confident we would have a good chance of locating the offending boat. If I had suffered just such an impact I would be very grateful for folks rallying around. Irrespective of who was at fault.
The OP is from Devon so not easy for him to do by himself.
Ideally take a camera and post photos of boats with front end damage.

Thanks for the support and encouragement. Any help would be good.

Yoda

 

[yoda]

The inside job

The boat yard asked 'have you got any pictures of the galley before the collision!'

 

[benjenbav]

Sorry to hear about your plight. Perhaps one of these sites might have some recording of the incident?

http://www.ais-live.co.uk/aismap/AIS%20Maps/solentcam.html

http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/webcams.htm

http://www.intheelements.co.uk/webcams/solent-and-calshot/

 

[EugeneR]

The boat yard asked 'have you got any pictures of the galley before the collision!'

Having a picture of what it was like before the collision helps the yard to know how to rebuild it, the insurer to know what to pay for and for you to know that you're getting what you've had before.

 

[nimbusgb]

Well given every mention of an incident over the weekend (this one aside) seems to involve the swapping of insurance details, it would appear so...

Jamie

Not so. Sailplane insurance has racing clauses that allow full cover whilst in competition. Been used a few times too including air-to-air incidents.

 

[Cookee]

Believe it or not there is a policy available for powerboat racing although it is eye wateringly expensive!

 

[Sybarite]

Fellow sailors.

Yesterday I was hit very hard by a boat during the very early stages of the race. I was in the white flag fleet and think that the other boat was also in that group. As you can see from the picture the damage was extensive and caused immediate flooding and only because I took immediate action was I able to avoid a major ingress of water. The other boat clearly sustained some damage because part of the stem head fitting was left in my galley. Unfortunately I was too busy saving my own life to see his name or sail number and he didn't make any effort to contact me, stay with me or report the incident (as yet). If anybody was witness to the accident or may be able to help in any way I would appreciate a PM. At the moment I feel very lucky to be alive (I was only 2ft from the point of impact) and if I am very lucky I may get my boat back for next season. At the time of the incident my sail number (2285) was very clearly displayed on either side of the cockpit.

Hope you race was better than mine!

Yoda

Really sorry to see the extent of the damage. I hope the other boat does the right thing and better late than never.

Sailing for me means getting away from the crowds especially afer 30+ years in Parisian traffic jams.

 

[snooks]

Update here