Round Turn and Two Half-Hitches Take #2

[nigelmercier]

Sorry for any confusion caused by the duplicate images in my previous Round Turn and Two Half-Hitches thread. I've now figured out what was wrong, and have managed to make the knot I wanted to know about:

The knot on the left is exactly as in ABOK #1720, but what about the knot on the right?

 

[davidej]

These two are different but I would say that they are both RT&THH's and would do the job equally well.

Any dissenting voices?

 

[little_roundtop]

No dissension here. In my (non-technical) view it's the friction in the round-turn that holds the load, the clove-hitch is just there to stop the round-turn coming undone.

As I see it the round-turn works equally well whichever way up it is and the ability of the clove-hitch to resist the round-turn undoing is not related to which way up the round-turn is.

Therefore they are the same knot.

 

[Wunja]

I think they are both RT&THH, but the first one may sit a little better as the transition from the RT to the first HH doesn't need to cross so far.

 

[rivonia]

It may seem strange but I was taught that the one on the left IS the correct way to do a RT&THH's as it gives an extra cross over to lock. I was not taught from books.

Peter

 

[paul.norton]

30 odd years ago, the harbourmaster at Watermouth used to tuck the bitter end into the 3 strand rope after tying the RT&THH.

 

[prv]

30 odd years ago, the harbourmaster at Watermouth used to tuck the bitter end into the 3 strand rope after tying the RT&THH.

On Stavros, the rule is that any lashing that supports the crew aloft must have at least four turns, at least four half-hitches, and four tucks through the lay of the rope.

Pete

 

[LadyInBed]

The first is the more natural way to tie it, but the way it is shown it would have probably been tied by a left handed person!

The second started off as a round turn tied by a right handed person but it then goes all 'cack handed' as it is a bit unnatural to pass the bitter end under the standing end to make the hitch.

 

[nigelmercier]

The first is the more natural way to tie it, but the way it is shown it would have probably been tied by a left handed person!

Guilty as charged. This is why I have such a problem learning knots; I was shown a bowline about 100 times before I went off and figured out how to tie it my way. The first few times my sailing mates saw me doing it, they told me I was doing it wrong, until they checked the knot.

 

[fisherman]

So what is the knot I see several fishermen using where the clove hitch round the standing part is reversed, ie with the end emerging next to the post.

 

[LadyInBed]

So what is the knot I see several fishermen using where the clove hitch round the standing part is reversed, ie with the end emerging next to the post.

A locking RT&THH's??

 

[prv]

So what is the knot I see several fishermen using where the clove hitch round the standing part is reversed, ie with the end emerging next to the post.

A buntline hitch. It's more secure, but can be very hard to undo if left for a long time under strain and shaking. Those are the exact characteristics of its use to attach buntlines to the foot of a square sail, so it generally has to be cut off in that case when the sail is unbent.

Pete

 

[Portland Billy]

Fishermens' bend

Where the standing part is put through the round turn - serves the same purpose as the RT&THH

 

[fisherman]

Where the standing part is put through the round turn - serves the same purpose as the RT&THH

That's what I call an anchor hitch

 

[VicS]

THIS IS a round turn and two half hitches

 

[RichardS]

THIS IS a round turn and two half hitches

Isn't that just Nigel's knot pulled tight?

Richard

 

[DanTribe]

The second knot is not a knot, but a hitch, as is the first one.

But, hang on, does that mean that a clove hitch tied on another rope becomes a clove knot?

 

[nigelmercier]

The second knot is not a knot, but a hitch, as is the first one...

I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that

Thanks Vic, a useful test.

 

[alan_d]

So what is the knot I see several fishermen using where the clove hitch round the standing part is reversed, ie with the end emerging next to the post.

Buntline Hitch. Very secure, but jams hard under strain and may need to be cut off rather than untied.