Rough justice

My sympathy is for the victims of their cons and the owners of the boats they nicked, plus the guys that found them..... AND the people whose lives they would have screwed up if they had survived.
As for them.. Natural selection, good riddence.
A

Seems their familys weren't that keen either..
 
It doesn't sound like peotic justice to me, just two stupid, selfish & ill prepared people that took advantage of everyone they met. having stolen the boat & jumed bail they have not been prepared to stock up on food & water. They have not planned their journey within the (stolen) resources they had - so it goes.

I know of others with a similar attitude to life that have destroyed the lives of every one around them. I do not weep for them, but I'm not sure I would want my yacht back after it has been abused like that. Dream boat? More like nightmare on marine street.
 
AFAICT their crimes were financial rather than violent.

I've got some sympathy with the 'they deserved it' posts, but I just can't bring myself to see it that way. Christ knows what this couple suffered in their last days.

I hope there's an afterlife and they find the peace and normality they never had in their own chaotic lives.

I wish the very best for their victims, too, of course.
 
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toad_oftoadhall said:
AFAICT their crimes were financial rather than violent.

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True enough, but the devastation & hurt they inflicted on others (& themselves in the end) will have hurt big time. Starvation & dehydration are the lot of many in this world thro' no fault of their own. I am a fairly forgiving & easy going guy in the main, but I find it hard to sympathise with such behaviour leading to self-inflicted deaths.
 
Searush said:
True enough, but the devastation & hurt they inflicted on others (& themselves in the end) will have hurt big time.
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Of course, and I'm in no way suggesting that having a good few grand nicked off you is 'better' than getting a kicking/cut. For some people (myself included) It's probably worse. None the less their crimes were financial.

Searush said:
I am a fairly forgiving & easy going guy in the main, but I find it hard to sympathise with such behaviour leading to self-inflicted deaths.
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Fine. There's no right answer to this.

As an aside I suspect it was this couple's sociopathic inability to sympathise with others that made committing their crimes possible.
 
I'm amazed

Maybe I'll have to pick up the "Chrusty" baton on this one, but I am absolutely amazed at the reaction of the majority of posters here.

You SURELY cannot believe that death through starvation and dehydration is a fitting end for, hmm, let me see, causing some people to fill in insurance forms...

Yes, I know, our boats are more than just "things" which an insurance payment will make up for, but FFS nobody deserves that.

Where does it stop? Should I wish a painful death on the person that burgled my house... or stole my sat-nav... or my bicycle ????
 
I agree with Searush. A sociopath and narcissist teamed up? He was obviously a sociopath and her family seems to have believed she was a narcissist which is a specialsed form of sociopathy. I have had the misfortune to have come across a few sociopaths in my lifetime, they are the stuff of nightmares. The devastation and havoc they bring has to be experienced to be believed.
Apparently mothers can detect and reject sociopathic babies. There is no deterrent value in what's happened to them, a true sociopath is impervious, invincible. It's a fact that sociopaths have shorter life spans than the norm.
 
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I agree with Searush. A sociopath and narcissist teamed up? He was obviously a sociopath and her family seems to have believed she was a narcissist which is a specialsed form of sociopathy. I have had the misfortune to have come across a few sociopaths in my lifetime, they are the stuff of nightmares. The devastation and havoc they bring has to be experienced to be believed.
Apparently mothers can detect and reject sociopathic babies. There is no deterrent value in what's happened to them, a true sociopath is impervious, invincible. It's a fact that sociopaths have shorter life spans than the norm.
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The irony of not having empathy with someone because they're incapable of empathy is pretty sweet!

...but yeah, I can see how some people could think this pair got what's coming and I certainly wouldn't strongly oppose that view.

It just so happens that, for some reason, I find I don't see it that way. I just see a couple of f**ked up people, together suffering an agonising death in a hopeless situation.

I did laugh when Fred West topped himself though, so my 'Daily Mail' credentials are fairly intact!
 
You're not alone in your thinking Toad. They were villains but there are very few, if any, non-violent criminals I'd be satisfied to see dies as a result of their crime. I wonder how some of these posters would feel if one of their own children had "rebelled", as many do even to middle class parents, and had died as a result of their non-violent crimes? The comments on this thread seem heartless to me.

Cheers, Brian.
 
Hear hear, flobergob and rr123. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with the toad, too.
These two sounded like throughly unpleasant people and I'm glad we never crossed paths. But to say - in effect - that they deserved to die for their non-violent crimes is barbaric.
 
I'm normally a very empathetic person but some recent experiences have shaped my perspective. The type of people we're talking about are not human except in the physical sense, they are similar to the replicants of Blade Runner fame. The strange thing about the condition is it doesn't seem to have a spectrum of disorder, it's an all or nothing thing, as if a switch has been thrown. They are absolutely and utterly selfish and self centred. The only moderation of what they do is that they have to cooperate to some degree with other people that aren't under their control in order to survive. If you don't know what I mean you haven't come across one.
 
bbg said:
Hear hear, flobergob and rr123. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with the toad, too.
These two sounded like throughly unpleasant people and I'm glad we never crossed paths. But to say - in effect - that they deserved to die for their non-violent crimes is barbaric.
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Thank you.

I have, in the past, worked quite extensively with criminals, and I really really don't want to live amongst them, but I am certainly not arrogant enough to think that they should die and I shouldn't.

In point of fact I've always been a bit of a "hang 'em and flog 'em", bit there must be some common ground between where ... hmm, hang on, I can feel a novel coming on ...
 
rr_123

I don't think anybody here is suggesting they deserved to die, just a lack of sympathy for what happened as a result of their choices.
A

I also have had to deal with a few people like them, and I certainly wouldn't want them near me.
 
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DownWest said:
rr_123

I don't think anybody here is suggesting they deserved to die, just a lack of sympathy for what happened as a result of their choices.
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"I'll save my sympathy for the people they stole the yacht from"

"Whats to feel sorry for.. "

"If you make your bed then I suppose you'll have to sleep on it."

"no sympathy"

"both got what was coming to them"

"their end is probably a fitting way"

"asking for a video of his suffering to watch for light entertainment" (ok, mio culpa, slightly out of context)

"Poetic justice....."

"Darwin has claimed another two The gene pool could certainly do without them."

"2 down................ a lot more to go "

and of course your own "Natural selection, good riddence"

Yes they were toe-rags of the first order, no I don't want them living in my society, but the level of humanity expressed here is staggering. These people, yes to some extent by their own actions, died a slow and horrible death.

Even when we had the death penalty in the UK (and France) we tried to make it quick!

R
 
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