Rough costs: heads, heads compartment, heating, hot water, cockpit tent, delivery

[yodave]

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone out there would be kind enough to give me a quick idea what sort of rough figures I’d need to budget for:

- Installation of heads
- Build of separate heads compartment
- Heating
- Hot water
- Cockpit tent [aft cabin layout]
- Delivery from Amsterdam to Edinburgh

Thanks for any and all feedback …and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this over the next few days.

 

[SHUG]

Here are some guesses!!!

Heads: Toilet plus valves plus piping: £100
Heads Compartment: two sheets plywood plus teak trim and fittings £90
Heating: Eber or Mikuno plus fuel supply and electrics: £850
Hot Water: Calorifier plus tubing £450
Cockpit tent: £250
Delivery: contact http://www.shiply.com/login.php and get quotes. Probably £60
Good luck!!

 

[Malish]

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone out there would be kind enough to give me a quick idea what sort of rough figures I’d need to budget for:

- Installation of heads
- Build of separate heads compartment
- Heating
- Hot water
- Cockpit tent [aft cabin layout]
- Delivery from Amsterdam to Edinburgh

Thanks for any and all feedback …and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this over the next few days.

some indication of the size & type of boat might help - day boat? barge?

 

[john_morris_uk]

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone out there would be kind enough to give me a quick idea what sort of rough figures I’d need to budget for:

- Installation of heads
- Build of separate heads compartment
- Heating
- Hot water
- Cockpit tent [aft cabin layout]
- Delivery from Amsterdam to Edinburgh

Thanks for any and all feedback …and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this over the next few days.

I think that the prices suggested by the pervious poster are way off the mark.

To have a heads installed if you are paying a yard to do the work, then how long is a bit of string. How much is already there. Are we talking about building into a hull from scratch, or replacing existing heads? Are there seacocks already in place? Do you need a holding tank? The parts alone are going to cost perhaps £300 if we are including all pipes, skin fittings and the loo itself and that is a cheap toilet - not a lavac!

Heating - an Eberspacher kit is in the region of £2k plus fitting.

Hot water - how long is a bit of string? Have you got ANYTHING in place at all? How are you heating this water - its usual to use a Calirofier (say £200?) off the engine, but the major cost will be fitting and the pump etc will be another £150 - £200.

A cockpit tent, made to measure (with matal work etc) is about £1k - and I have had quotes from several places for that and all the sailmakers/canvas makers are similar in price for a proper job.

I haven't included a guess at build a heads compartment, but shipwrights don;t come cheap. Do it yourself for the cost of materials, but allow a few hundred to get it right.

Delivery is the least of your worries.

Come back with some specifics about the sort of boat and exactly what you need - and whether to include labour, but if you are not doing it yourself, then don't think it will be cheap. T'is why I do nearly everything on our boat myself.

 

[V1701]

I had quotes for a cockpit tent inc. frame from TecSew, Comfort Afloat and I forget the name of the other one. All around £1200. My D2 Eberspacher was about £1400 (not inc. fitting), but you can get second hand units on ebay...

 

[ukmctc]

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone out there would be kind enough to give me a quick idea what sort of rough figures I’d need to budget for:

- Installation of heads
- Build of separate heads compartment
- Heating
- Hot water
- Cockpit tent [aft cabin layout]
- Delivery from Amsterdam to Edinburgh

Thanks for any and all feedback …and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this over the next few days.

Heads from scratch £120
compartment as little as £10 for a curtain and rail
heating new £1000 2nd hand £400 up
hotwater/water system pipe, connections B&Q Homebase Plumb city £50
Pump £50 no accum tank required
Cockpit tent £1 for Tarp at £1 shop, pack of bungees £1
Delivery (boat) do it yourself £500

it all depends on what you want, and how much you are prepaired todo or have someone else todo.

 

[pvb]

I think that the prices suggested by the pervious poster are way off the mark.

Couldn't agree more. The suggestions that a toilet can be installed for £100 (or even ukmctc's £120) are farcical. As you say, there's around £300 worth of bits involved. Makes you wonder whether people have any experience of the things they're advising on.

 

[rivonia]

Here are some guesses!!!

Heads: Toilet plus valves plus piping: £100
Heads Compartment: two sheets plywood plus teak trim and fittings £90
Heating: Eber or Mikuno plus fuel supply and electrics: £850
Hot Water: Calorifier plus tubing £450
Cockpit tent: £250
Delivery: contact http://www.shiply.com/login.php and get quotes. Probably £60
Good luck!!

YES they are GUESSES; We had most of the above done in Scotland 2yrs ago= Heads£450. Heating £2400, Hot water £720,Cockpit enclosed bimini ££1860. All don proffesionally.

Probably cost more now. We did the Heads compartment ourselfs.

Peter

 

[SHUG]

I was presuming DIY and they were based on my own experience "some" years ago. I presumed he was asking about the cost of the bits. For example , a Jabsco Toilet is about £90,and and the valves are about £20 so I'll revise that figure up to say £130 even £150 but not £300.
Hey... it certainly got the ball rolling!!!
Cheers to all the big spenders!!!

 

[pvb]

I presumed he was asking about the cost of the bits. For example , a Jabsco Toilet is about £90,and and the valves are about £20 so I'll revise that figure up to say £130 even £150 but not £300.

OK, cheapest Jabsco toilet is actually about £100. It needs two seacocks (3/4" and 1 1/2"), which even using DZR are going to be around £50 for the pair. Plus through-hulls and hosetail fittings, say another £40. Then it needs hoses, say 2 metres of each, another £30 or so. And of course a pair of vented loops, another £30. Plus 10 jubilee clips, another £20. That's about £270 already.

I replaced the outlet through-hull, seacock and hose on my heads last summer, and was horrified by the cost of the bits.

 

[john_morris_uk]

OK, cheapest Jabsco toilet is actually about £100. It needs two seacocks (3/4" and 1 1/2"), which even using DZR are going to be around £50 for the pair. Plus through-hulls and hosetail fittings, say another £40. Then it needs hoses, say 2 metres of each, another £30 or so. And of course a pair of vented loops, another £30. Plus 10 jubilee clips, another £20. That's about £270 already.

I replaced the outlet through-hull, seacock and hose on my heads last summer, and was horrified by the cost of the bits.

If you want to put anti siphon loops above the waterline you need more than a couple of metres of each hose. My £300 was a bit of a guess, but its not far off.

I don;t have ANYTHING done professionally on our boat if I can possibly avoid it (and I have avoided it for years!) but the prices of parts alone are not cheap. Furthermore I don't like going to sea on boats that are held together with string and sticky tape. If you buy cheap, you often get what you pay for - buy the proper bits in the first place, and save money in the long run.

 

[Bobobolinsky]

It's the delivery that will cost money. If the boat is not seaworthy, it's a lot of pennies, we still don't know how big it is. A trailersailor and it's cheap, Just go and tow it back, Ferry to Newcastle say £400 return, Newcastle to Edinburgh diesel £120. Bigger and you have costs, say £8000 for a barge plus craneage at £1000 a day, so could run £10000. Of course if it is seaworthy then things are different, but since you are asking about something that needs an amount of work, that is probably not the case. If it is a barge, then that changes things in terms of fitting out as well, Like using domestic boiler for heating, **** tank for the heads etc

 

[SHUG]

OK, cheapest Jabsco toilet is actually about £100. It needs two seacocks (3/4" and 1 1/2"), which even using DZR are going to be around £50 for the pair. Plus through-hulls and hosetail fittings, say another £40. Then it needs hoses, say 2 metres of each, another £30 or so. And of course a pair of vented loops, another £30. Plus 10 jubilee clips, another £20. That's about £270 already.

I replaced the outlet through-hull, seacock and hose on my heads last summer, and was horrified by the cost of the bits.

I surrender!!!!

 

[ukmctc]

Couldn't agree more. The suggestions that a toilet can be installed for £100 (or even ukmctc's £120) are farcical. As you say, there's around £300 worth of bits involved. Makes you wonder whether people have any experience of the things they're advising on.

I think you'll find that it all depends on whether you can do it youself and buy responsibly or just pay stupid prices and have someone with a title charging stupid prices for basic plumbing. There is nothing farcical about us folk, just the Joneses who believe it has to cost tobe good.

 

[ukmctc]

I surrender!!!!

Got a toilet new in the sales, £70, and the seacocks of Ebay and a friend, £15 and free, hose I had, along with clips some old skin fittings job done.

seriously, look around, you will find these things and people will have items around which they will give away, I do.

I'd rather help someone and give them parts or bits for free, good karma always comes back.

Boating doesn't have to cost the earth, also look in camping and caravan shops for plumbing you'll find they'll be cheaper for the same product.

 

[All The Gear No Idea]

"and the seacocks of Ebay and a friend, £15 and free,"

Wow, you'd risk sinking your boat with cheap unknown goods from ebay?

For the sake of a few more pounds, you would have peace of mind that the boat was sound, fitted with a known quantity.

This sort of penny pinching puts me off buying a secondhand boat without considering lots of subsequent upgrades for my own peace of mind.

 

[curlysue]

The meaning of B.O.A.T.

Welcome to the world of boat ownership. Did anybody happen to tell you that BOAT actually stands for 'Bring Out Another Thousand'.
All the best and enjoy. Thats what it's all about.

 

[yodave]

Thanks to each and every one of you for your help

Hi,

Thank you all for your comments; each and every one of use in some shape or form.

Some contributors have asked for more details:

The boat is a 70s grp yacht 31 ft. She's seaworthy. She has a thin cupboard where the heads ought to be, and I understand that there's no plumbing / sea cocks etc.

Me? unfortunately I'm no good at DIY, so I'd need to pay to get the work done professionally. Also, I'm new to sailing; doing my RYA day skipper theory, so making the journey over to the Forth myself [for delivery] is probably a bit unwise.

It's an old boat, and that reflects my financial position, so I don't have a lot of cash to throw around. That said, although I'd love to save a few bob, I see little point in under-estimating the likely costs, or over-estimating my abilities. Additionally, I'd like the work to be done to a professional standard - so for the heads compartment; wood and a door maybe even a sink ...rather than a curtain.

I'd really appreciate any more contributions, as this will help me form an opinion based on wider knowledge than I have.

Thanks again!

 

[savageseadog]

Welcome to the world of boat ownership. Did anybody happen to tell you that BOAT actually stands for 'Bring Out Another Thousand'.
All the best and enjoy. Thats what it's all about.

10% compound extra for each letter in the word "Marine"

 

[Tranona]

Hi,

Thank you all for your comments; each and every one of use in some shape or form.

Some contributors have asked for more details:

The boat is a 70s grp yacht 31 ft. She's seaworthy. She has a thin cupboard where the heads ought to be, and I understand that there's no plumbing / sea cocks etc.

Me? unfortunately I'm no good at DIY, so I'd need to pay to get the work done professionally. Also, I'm new to sailing; doing my RYA day skipper theory, so making the journey over to the Forth myself [for delivery] is probably a bit unwise.

It's an old boat, and that reflects my financial position, so I don't have a lot of cash to throw around. That said, although I'd love to save a few bob, I see little point in under-estimating the likely costs, or over-estimating my abilities. Additionally, I'd like the work to be done to a professional standard - so for the heads compartment; wood and a door maybe even a sink ...rather than a curtain.

I'd really appreciate any more contributions, as this will help me form an opinion based on wider knowledge than I have.

Thanks again!

Now you have clarified what the boat is, the advice will probably be not to bother. Delivery will be £3k+ including handling either end. The jobs listed will be approaching £8-10k.

Old boats which require "professional" ie paid for work are usually not worth it and if you can't do it yourself best left alone.

Save your money for a boat that is up together and concentrate on using it rather than working on it.