ROR Poser...

[SandTiger]

I was recently having a discussion wth a FV skipper whom is also a college tutor for BML3 and OTW courses about whether or not it would be permissible for a charter vessel with rod & line anglers to display the required day signal and lights for a vessel engaged in fishing other then trawling.

From a strict interpretation of Rule of the Road I can see nothing against this - Anyone view things differently?

 

[Kawasaki]

Would they be "at anchor" or "drifting" Definately "Under way" There,s got to be a "Catch" somewhere!

 

[john_morris_uk]

The rules are quite clear - a fishing vessel is a vessel which is hampered in its ability to manoevre by its fishing gear.

Rule 3 definitions:

"The term "vessel engaged in fishing" means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls or other fishing apparatus which restrict manoeuvrability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manoeuvrability."

If they are fishing with their rods whilst anchored, they should show the day shape for a "vessel at anchor".

 

[bilbobaggins]

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From a strict interpretation of Rule of the Road

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In close to 40 years' involvement ith boats, I have not once tripped over/discovered/found/encountered the mythical document 'Rule of the Road', and I suspect that it is an artifact of flannel and phooi!

IMHO, the 'strict interpretation' alluded to above is no more than that - flannel and phoooi.

However, even a cursory skim-read of the IRPCS 'ColRegs' ( Rule 3.d ) would give a clear and unambiguous answer to SandTiger's uncertainty - as others will be swift to indicate.

What was that about 'water' and 'horses'?

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[SandTiger]

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However, even a cursory skim-read of the IRPCS 'ColRegs' ( Rule 3.d ) would give a clear and unambiguous answer to SandTiger's uncertainty - as others will be swift to indicate.

What was that about 'water' and 'horses'?

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Sooooo, (and at the risk of getting shot down in flames /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)...

The question is set in relation to a vessel with lines down fishing on the drift not vessels at anchor.

Therefore is it stretching Rule 3(d) to argue that the risk of fouling ones prop is a restriction of manoeuvrability?

 

[Cruiser2B]

John and Bilbo have answered your question. If you foul your prop, then you may display lights and shapes for a NUC (not under control) vessel.

 

[landaftaf]

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[bilbobaggins]

My strict interpretation of the situation on the water - as described, and encountered scores of times - is that the said vessel is a 'power driven vessel under way, stopped', and is not 'a hampered vessel' in terms of The Rules.

That means said vessel should follow the prescriptions of The Rules, and 'keep out of the way/keep clear' of other vessels where so required - and that includes other hampered vessels such as vessels sailing, vessels engaged in fishing, vessels towing, vessels restricted in ability to manoeuvre and vessels constrained by draught.

There is no apparent reason why this hypothetical angling charter should not obey The Rules like the rest of us, other than perhaps bloody-mindedness.

For my part, even in a 'vessel sailing', I usually manage to avoid 'vessels sea-angling' by passing on the side opposite where the rods and lines are - except when the blurry driver suddenly starts up and motors right across my bow......

If you want others to be courteous and considerate to you, then you need to put your bit in. Doncha?

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