Rolex @ SYH

toyboy said:
The River Orwell is where you sail and you should take an interest in it's upkeep. For me it is where I sail and where I live. It is also where my family arrived from Sweden over 1000 years ago. I don't just come to Ipswich to take advantage of the place many people who cannot afford to sail actually live and expect visitors to be respectful of their river.
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I do care.
I also keep a deep finkeel boat at SYH and I welcome the dredging.
The sludge has to go somewhere.
 
OR4751 said:
I do care.
I also keep a deep finkeel boat at SYH and I welcome the dredging.
The sludge has to go somewhere.
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Of course, but not onto the river bed. SYH was created by dumping fly ash and builders rubble onto the river bed and then the nearby landowner claimed it as his and that is what is happening again now. The bed of the River Orwell doesn't belong to the Crown, it belongs to IBC. The sludge in the marina is seeping into the marina by the lightship where the piling is being pushed forward and it should be pumped back there, not onto the waders grounds. This is of course not your problem and you probably didn't know of it and if it becomes a real problem you can always move on. I post so folks who use the river can understand the issues local people have with SYH pinching land.
 
toyboy said:
Of course, but not onto the river bed. SYH was created by dumping fly ash and builders rubble onto the river bed and then the nearby landowner claimed it as his and that is what is happening again now. The bed of the River Orwell doesn't belong to the Crown, it belongs to IBC. The sludge in the marina is seeping into the marina by the lightship where the piling is being pushed forward and it should be pumped back there, not onto the waders grounds. This is of course not your problem and you probably didn't know of it and if it becomes a real problem you can always move on. I post so folks who use the river can understand the issues local people have with SYH pinching land.
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So what about ABP dumping dredged material into the shallow areas then above No 1 & Orwell bys, why not pump it back up Belstead Brook & The Gip[ping
 
As long as there's 4'6" all the way even at LWS I'm happy. The more pontoons at SYH the more local jobs there are and the more local boat maintenance businesses for me to give all my money to.
 
Colvic Watson said:
As long as there's 4'6" all the way even at LWS I'm happy. The more pontoons at SYH the more local jobs there are and the more local boat maintenance businesses for me to give all my money to.
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That is my point. If the river is not taken care of you will not always be able to sail on it. Three weeks ago the Environment Agency started work on a barrier across the New Cut (River Gipping), and that will close that river which once could be used all the way up to Stowmarket. Finito. Next the dock will be filled in too so multi-story appartments can be built on it. I posted about the watch as it was dredged up where the harbour wall is failing and it was not an attempt to hijack a thread but to demonstrate why the river needs protecting. When I was a lad the River Orwell was much wider as SYH and Fox's were built out into the river. The new flood barrier will see Fox's flooded again next time we have a tidal surge but the big damage will be when we have a tidal surge, spring tide, fluvial and pluvial flow at the same time as NE wind and low pressure in the North Sea with high pressure in the Atlantic. Just remember the River Orwell doesn't belong to the Crown so nobody is protecting it properly.
 
toyboy said:
That is my point. If the river is not taken care of you will not always be able to sail on it. Three weeks ago the Environment Agency started work on a barrier across the New Cut (River Gipping), and that will close that river which once could be used all the way up to Stowmarket. Finito. Next the dock will be filled in too so multi-story appartments can be built on it. I posted about the watch as it was dredged up where the harbour wall is failing and it was not an attempt to hijack a thread but to demonstrate why the river needs protecting. When I was a lad the River Orwell was much wider as SYH and Fox's were built out into the river. The new flood barrier will see Fox's flooded again next time we have a tidal surge but the big damage will be when we have a tidal surge, spring tide, fluvial and pluvial flow at the same time as NE wind and low pressure in the North Sea with high pressure in the Atlantic. Just remember the River Orwell doesn't belong to the Crown so nobody is protecting it properly.
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And your answer to #23
 
toyboy said:
That is my point. If the river is not taken care of you will not always be able to sail on it. Three weeks ago the Environment Agency started work on a barrier across the New Cut (River Gipping), and that will close that river which once could be used all the way up to Stowmarket. Finito. Next the dock will be filled in too so multi-story appartments can be built on it. I posted about the watch as it was dredged up where the harbour wall is failing and it was not an attempt to hijack a thread but to demonstrate why the river needs protecting. When I was a lad the River Orwell was much wider as SYH and Fox's were built out into the river. The new flood barrier will see Fox's flooded again next time we have a tidal surge but the big damage will be when we have a tidal surge, spring tide, fluvial and pluvial flow at the same time as NE wind and low pressure in the North Sea with high pressure in the Atlantic. Just remember the River Orwell doesn't belong to the Crown so nobody is protecting it properly.
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So, in your ideal world there would be not dredging. What would that result in?
In a few years the Orwell would turn into somerthing like the Blackwater/Colne: very wide & very shallow.
 
OR4751 said:
So, in your ideal world there would be not dredging. What would that result in?
In a few years the Orwell would turn into somerthing like the Blackwater/Colne: very wide & very shallow.
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The dredging is essential. The problem is pumping all the spoil into the river or even the sea. The silt comes down the river off the land. It should be put back on the land and even then not banked up. The Orwell needs to be able to spread and not flood because it is being squeezed into a smaller space all the time.
 
nigelm said:
One might presume that the commercial shipping that use Ipswich need a deep water Chanel or maybe they still have horse and carts to bring goods ashore in Suffolk
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This is the area they want to fill in and a map of the river in 1804 before anything was built out into the river
https://picasaweb.google.com/petert...authkey=Gv1sRgCN-Mr8WpsoaNmgE&feat=directlink
The dock only gets one real commercial vessel now once every fortnight and gradually the dock is dying as a port.
 
toyboy said:
This is the area they want to fill in and a map of the river in 1804 before anything was built out into the river
https://picasaweb.google.com/petert...authkey=Gv1sRgCN-Mr8WpsoaNmgE&feat=directlink
The dock only gets one real commercial vessel now once every fortnight and gradually the dock is dying as a port.
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I am led to believe the RSPCA are looking in here because dead horses are being flogged :encouragement:
 
They are not allowed to dump the spoil out at sea, it has to be in the river. Seems loopy to me, but it keeps the dredging companies in business.
 
Leighb said:
They are not allowed to dump the spoil out at sea, it has to be in the river. Seems loopy to me, but it keeps the dredging companies in business.
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They are allowed to dump out to sea but that is more expensive and of course it doesn't replace soil washed off the land. If trees are not planted back on the higher ground soil will be forever washed away and cause the problems being experienced by the poor people in Cumbria.
 
toyboy said:
They are allowed to dump out to sea but that is more expensive and of course it doesn't replace soil washed off the land. If trees are not planted back on the higher ground soil will be forever washed away and cause the problems being experienced by the poor people in Cumbria.
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So what is your solution to this intractable problem
 
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