Rodman 41with IPS.

[paul salliss]

Not quite but I have sat on three ( see my earlier posts ) in the marina , drinking Rose with the owners listening to there tales of woes why they are not coming out to play tomorrow.

Would have loved to actually go out , but they were busted awaiting technical help .
Wish they did work for the owners holidays etc .

Does that count......sat on one only because it’s bust?

But if you think my opinions / experiences I have posted on this thread would have had more street cred or less “ sound ridiculous “ I,am sorry to disappoint you .
Not as disappointed as the IPS owners .All newbies .

 

[paul salliss]

Put your money where your mouth is, go and buy an IPS boat and then some people may listen to your nonsence.....from a shaft boat owner, as above, classic forum bull shxt

 

[TonyR123]

+1 for IPS

within mallorca have not heard of any ips issues. Properly maintain them and all should be fine.

 

[Portofino]

Put your money where your mouth is, go and buy an IPS boat and then some people may listen to your nonsence.....from a shaft boat owner, as above, classic forum bull shxt

Figured out a Reliant robins is not best choice to take on a track day , without the pre requisite qualification ( if I understand your thinking correctly? ) to purchase one .
Though I never actually sat in one .Unlike IPS boats sat in three all busted .
Why do I have to then in your view proceed to buy one to arrive at the same conclusion?

 

[Momac]

Shaft drive boats are not immune from issues .

 

[Switch]

Figured out a Reliant robins is not best choice to take on a track day , without the pre requisite qualification ( if I understand your thinking correctly? ) to purchase one .
Though I never actually sat in one .Unlike IPS boats sat in three all busted .
Why do I have to then in your view proceed to buy one to arrive at the same conclusion?

I think you‘ve done your three IPS horror stories to death (not only this thread but others as well). You won’t ever buy one - we get it.

 

[MapisM]

Put your money where your mouth is, go and buy an IPS boat and then some people may listen to your nonsence.....from a shaft boat owner, as above, classic forum bull shxt

Now that's a weird reasoning, if I've ever seen one.
I tried IPS powered boats, I know how IPS are built because I've seen several of them taken apart, I know what sort of work they demand (even just for scheduled maintenance - let alone for fixing major failures), and I've seen outrageous invoices for VP parts.
On that basis, don't you think that by buying shaft boats I did exactly what you suggest, i.e. put my money where my mouth is?

 

[NGM]

It's all a little pathetic reading some of these exchanges, classic forum bullshxt, I love shafts and have never had IPS so can not comment but for those knocking and bashing the relatively new IPS system ( 15 years) have you actually owned an IPS boat or chartered one for at least a week.......if not bog off you as sound rediculous

Well said. I’m sure many have similar thoughts and are just bored with this drivel from the same few.

 

[paul salliss]

Well said. I’m sure many have similar thoughts and are just bored with this drivel from the same few.

Exactly what a load of miserable old people, if IPS has helped some folks and or has given them confidence that they would not have had who are we to ram this drivel down their throats it's wrong, yes personally I like shafts and a bit of old fashioned tuition but that's my choice each to their own, as you said it's the same old few people

 

[Switch]

Now that's a weird reasoning, if I've ever seen one.
I tried IPS powered boats, I know how IPS are built because I've seen several of them taken apart, I know what sort of work they demand (even just for scheduled maintenance - let alone for fixing major failures), and I've seen outrageous invoices for VP parts.
On that basis, don't you think that by buying shaft boats I did exactly what you suggest, i.e. put my money where my mouth is?

Scheduled maintenance on IPS pods is no more expensive than stern drive maintenance.

 

[MapisM]

what a load of miserable old people

That's uncalled-for.
Firstly, I can't remember any of the "IPS opponents" (myself included) labelling as miserable anyone who likes IPS, or anything else, for that matter.
But most importantly, reading the criticisms as an attempt to "drivel down their [IPS supporters] throats it's wrong" is just what you make of it.
I would have loved to hear from someone how spectacularly I was going to be ripped-off by VP, before I bought a KADs + outdrives powered boat, 30 or so years ago.
Anyone who isn't interested in similar suggestions now about IPS boats, or who think they are only unjustified drivel, can do a very simple thing: ignore them. And fair winds and good luck to all of them.

 

[Portofino]

Exactly what a load of miserable old people, if IPS has helped some folks and or has given them confidence that they would not have had who are we to ram this drivel down their throats it's wrong, yes personally I like shafts and a bit of old fashioned tuition but that's my choice each to their own, as you said it's the same old few people

It’s put a few off boating too.
Unpredictable the maintenance bills , it seems .
More “ drivel “ if you google ——— “IPS Volvo penta problems “

IPS Problems


volvo penta ips 500 problems - Volvo Forums - Volvo Enthusiasts Forum

 

[Switch]

That's uncalled-for.
Firstly, I can't remember any of the "IPS opponents" (myself included) labelling as miserable anyone who likes IPS, or anything else, for that matter.
But most importantly, reading the criticisms as an attempt to "drivel down their [IPS supporters] throats it's wrong" is just what you make of it.
I would have loved to hear from someone how spectacularly I was going to be ripped-off by VP when I bought a KAD + outdrive powered boat, 30 or so years ago.
Anyone who isn't interested in similar suggestions now about IPS boats, or who think they are just unjustified drivel, can do a very simple thing: ignore them.
And fair winds to them.

Then y

It’s put a few off boating too.
Unpredictable the maintenance bills , it seems .
More “ drivel “ if you google ——— “IPS Volvo penta problems “

IPS Problems


volvo penta ips 500 problems - Volvo Forums - Volvo Enthusiasts Forum

This forum is full of people posting about non IPS problems. If you are so risk averse advise newbies to buy a sailing dinghy with no engine.

 

[TonyR123]

I took out a 7 year warranty with mine. Engines & pods. Doubt that would be an option if they were so bad.

 

[NYboater]

I am a multi year lurker, not a poster, mostly because I have limited boating knowledge and a narrow range of experience - except perhaps when it comes to pods. Over the past 8 years I have owned 2 pod driven boats and between them have over 2,300 hours and over 30,000nm. During these 8 years I have had the boats out of service 3 times, the first for hurricane damage, the second for grounding (yes it was expensive to repair) and the last for a burned out turbo.

I don’t feel qualified to compare my experience to shafts as I haven’t spent any serious time on a shaft driven boat.

 

[oldgit]

The owner of the Rodman 41 is a pleased as punch with his boat. It is modern,light and airy inside and hopefully will give him the confidence to actually use the boat. It was not actually his very first boat, having aquired a Princess 388 a few months previously.
Unfortunately the Princess rarely left its berth, simply due to the challenge of getting it in and out of the marina , the new owner also decided its late 1970s "caravan" interior did not cut the mustard and wanted something newer and blingier .
Will be moving both boats soon , swapping their marinas and a chance to do direct comparison.
On reflection the 41 is faster quieter and lighter on its feet but did not feel that planted or secure underway in the not unusual conditions found in the Thames Estuary on the day.
Prior to purchase owner did do some research on IPS from those likely to be called on if any IPS problems appeared and used this information to negociate a deal..

Would I buy a Rodman 41 if funds allowed, yes of course, but not IPS, simply because of the nature of my boating, which mostly involves shallow muddy creeks, even shallower non tidal rivers and not infrequently drying out.
IPS is probably more suited to those who start to get nervous if less than 50 fathoms under the keel ?

 

[Sticky Fingers]

...simply because of the nature of my boating, which mostly involves shallow muddy creeks, even shallower non tidal rivers and not infrequently drying out....

Sounds to me like outdrives would be perfect for you... lift into beach mode, dry out happily...

 

[BruceK]

Itama Pictures
Some of the pictures are good. The Forty with bow high, that boat really needs little tab as I have driven one, so possibly they stuck her in hump speed.
The 38 before it is near perfect. A little angle never hurts to say the truth up to 4 or 5 are widely acceptable.
The Itama which get a degrees of bow high are the new ones since they added stern weight to do the new sloop design Forty becoming 45 model, and 55 become 62.
Still acceptable ride especially on the 45, 62 does ride bow high under a certain speed up to 23 knots if I remember well and then it starts to even out. A solution they found is to put four interceptor style trim tabs and give them a couple of dots down.
Also FG Itama's are not as balanced as the old Amati ones, which had central engines and an aft cabin layout etc

I'm not disputing AoA but the fact that with the bow rise and design the helmsman needs to be standing on a step ladder in order to see where he is going. Style before function springs to mind. Then there is an excessively big hole being dragged behind. Fine when these boats are out in rough weather and cleaving through waves in a commercial service application but on a leisure vessel the cons of having to have overly large engines to overcome the inefficiencies such a hull provides verse actual practical use is a egotism not so different to owning a Humvee in central London. The fact that they are held as an epitome of refinement that all boats should aspire to while denigrating all others doesn't just cement such a simile but renders it a standing joke.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

I'm not disputing AoA but the fact that with the bow rise and design the helmsman needs to be standing on a step ladder in order to see where he is going. Style before function springs to mind. Then there is an excessively big hole being dragged behind. Fine when these boats are out in rough weather and cleaving through waves in a commercial service application but on a leisure vessel the cons of having to have overly large engines to overcome the inefficiencies such a hull provides verse actual practical use is a egotism not so different to owning a Humvee in central London. The fact that they are held as an epitome of refinement that all boats should aspire to while denigrating all others doesn't just cement such a simile but renders it a standing joke.

I am not sure where are you coming from and how you use your boat. The Itama hull was actually an improvement of the Magnum hull in term of efficiency.
For an example an Itama 54 (weight about 25 tons in running order) from 1992 a customer of mine refitted drinks 7 liter per nm at 25 knots, Man 1100hp V10s 16 liter lumps running straight shaft at 1500 rpm.
I am not sure even today with all the bells and whistles of IPS many boats with similar pod propulsion have that efficency.
An Absolute 52 with 2 IPS 800 with 600hp drinks about 7.8 to 8 liter per nm, even a 27 ton Ferretti 53 with Cats C12 for example drinks about 7.5 liter per nm.
Okay the Absolute/Princess/Sunseeker is higher a full beam master cabin larger flybridge hard top on fly amenities which Ferretti did not have.

Seakeeping.
Now boat usage has changed a lot in the last decade, more so in the Med but Itama came from a time when marinas where a rarer sight (like one every 50 nm may be even 100 in some areas) and how a boat behaves if you get into rough seas till you arrive (forecast where not perfect at the time) mattered a lot. Rough seas are common in the Med, and if you cruise I know what I would rather want under my belly.
That is not to say you go out in Force 6 or 7 seas, but if you are caught in it the boat has to make you feel safe and give you confidence versus one which does not.
See Mapis DP video of him ploughing rough seas. For him that was fun, because the boat made it so.

Needless to say Itama and Magnum (and other similar builders) where innovators in the eighties and today they are still in the same place with the exclusion of surface drives options. I think they have that place of pure deep Vee cruiser fast commuter and they should stay there. If you want something else like the majority want who am I to argue. In the end everyone takes care of his pocket.
The argument here of us traditionalist re IPS is that minus the easy manoeuvring it is not the bells and whistles that everyone says it is, and when you do a few sums it really is not so efficient (flat hull etc).

The two worlds can really live together, and I am not really all against IPS. In reality the biggest problem a boat can have is that of under-power more then IPS itself, hence why the 47P or 48P mentioned here are really something that did not mix up well.

 

[jrudge]

There's one I've seen in our marina blasting his bow thruster just to make the 90 degree turn in and out the fairway. The bow thruster even makes way more noise than both engines at idle.

Before the person is cursed as an idiot - I do the same thing !

I am in the med. As I come out the bow of the boat is very close ( very) to the hammerhead opposite. There are bow lines in the water either side at the back. I use the thruster until the boat has turned about 30-40 degrees and I am guaranteed clear of the bow lines ( which are submerged at an angle). Can I do it with engines, of course I can ( I rarely use the thruster coming in ) but the hassle of cutting bow lines make me happy to push the button.

My last boat was a Squadron 65 with dual hydraulic thrusters - hence unlimited use time - if it was simpler then I just used them.

I never really understand why using a piece of kit fitted on a boat is frowned upon!