RNLI taxi service for illegal immigrants

[Daydream believer]

Congratulations. In a thread notable for inhumanity, that's a new low.

So are you saying that the truck driver is not being humane?
His truck has - inadvertently , one would assume ( as opposed to a deliberate act of smuggling) been used to transport illegal immigrants into the Uk.

Why should he be penalised & the RNLI ( who have committed a deliberate act of importation) not be?

 

[awol]

So are you saying that the truck driver is not being humane?
His truck has - inadvertently , one would assume ( as opposed to a deliberate act of smuggling) been used to transport illegal immigrants into the Uk.

Why should he be penalised & the RNLI ( who have committed a deliberate act of importation) not be?

Because the RNLI are working under the direct request of a UK Government agency, the MCA.

 

[Juan Twothree]

Because the RNLI are working under the direct request of a UK Government agency, the MCA.

The RNLI have issued very comprehensive advice to stations that might become involved with rescuing migrants, including crew wellbeing and safety, arranging attendance of other agencies, and appropriate secure landing points.

Following consultation with the Home Office, we have been assured that we will not be liable to prosecution if we land migrants following a SAR incident.

 

[Daydream believer]

The RNLI have issued very comprehensive advice to stations that might become involved with rescuing migrants, including crew wellbeing and safety, arranging attendance of other agencies, and appropriate secure landing points.

Following consultation with the Home Office, we have been assured that we will not be liable to prosecution if we land migrants following a SAR incident.

So it was considered then & my comment was not far from what might have been, had it not been "risk assessed" beforehand

 

[sailorman]

Congratulations. In a thread notable for inhumanity, that's a new low.

No it isnt, DB stated the law as it stands

 

[awol]

No it isnt, DS stated the law as it stands

I can't seem to find a post by "DS". It's always possible I have him on ignore.

 

[JumbleDuck]

The presenter of WATO this lunchtime, pointed out to an immigration apologist, that asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they can reach.

It is very, very much more complicated than that. Provision of asylum is seen in law as a joint responsibility of the world community, so where and when asylum is claimed depends on a complex system of treaties and agreements. One aim is to stop refugees piling up in the countries nearest hellholes; nevertheless the overwhelming majority of the world's refugees and asylum seekers are in poor countries.

Those interested in the ramifications might usefully start with this: https://www.unhcr.org/59c4be077.pdf

 

[sailorman]

DB

PS i do not use ignore :encouragement:

 

[Daydream believer]

Personally I am not really against the asylum seekers as such( note asylum seekers, not economic migrants, that is a different subject), living in the conditions in which they find themselves cannot really be imagined by any of us in our safe havens.
What I do object to, is the way the situation is being dealt with. These people clearly cannot be integrated within our society in such large numbers & furthermore a large majority of them do not WANT to be integrated.
They do not need to come to Europe. There are countries more akin to their way of life which could be taking them. Furthermore , the countries from which they are fleeing should not be supported in some of their actions by those who offer aid in one hand & weapons to kill themselves in another, all to buy oil in another.

I do not know the answer but i would have no objection to my money being spent in a way that offered them a life, but in a way which did not destroy mine.

At this point someone is going to scream - Oh you think you can pay them to stay away. Fair comment but at least it is better than nothing, or just creating a killing zone. Different cultures do not mix, if one is hell bent on conquering another & that is a fact.

Why i am so annoyed & cynical about the situation in the channel. It is because they are being encouraged to try.
Our system is so much carp that the liberal lefties have created a system where imigrants can easily disappears into the abyss.
I know of some friends who found one in their dinghy when they returned from an event abroad. They caught him & reported to the police. Advice was to let him go & say nothing.
What message is that sending out?
It sends out -come over - it is easy once you get past the half way line. No one is going to let you drown in the channel & loads of people will be tracking you. Chances of being drowned are pretty low actually. Certainly easier than what you have come through to get this far.
I really get annoyed when a trucker has to run the gauntlet at Calais to find himself with a fine when he gets to the UK

 

[ProDave]

I have not read the whole thread so this may have been suggested.

So when migrants are "rescued" in the channel, why not take them back to France?

That will "save" lives so is doing the right thing, but by taking them back to where they started, there is no encouragement for others to try.

It just seems the seamanship like thing to do when rescuing a sailor in distress, take them back to their home port?

 

[pvb]

It just seems the seamanship like thing to do when rescuing a sailor in distress, take them back to their home port?

But there's a whole community of "do-gooders" here waiting to offer assistance to these poor displaced people. You wouldn't want to frustrate their desire to help.

 

[Blue Sunray]

My fav post ever Genius.

You are most kind.

 

[GrahamD]

We have come to a pretty pass when the term “do-gooder” is seen as a derogative term

 

[pvb]

We have come to a pretty pass when the term “do-gooder” is seen as a derogative term

I guess you meant "derogatory", but there's no evidence for your allegation. There are lots of people who think they're helping mankind by offering assistance to these poor displaced individuals, totally ignoring the fact that they're actually economic migrants who come well-equipped with fake papers, smartphones, money, etc.

 

[DownWest]

The French do try find a space for them, at least occasionally. They housed a bunch at Fouras, a nice typical beach town near here.
Within a week, they had dissapeared, presumably back to the channel ports. No prizes for figuring out why.

 

[sailorman]

I guess you meant "derogatory", but there's no evidence for your allegation. There are lots of people who think they're helping mankind by offering assistance to these poor displaced individuals, totally ignoring the fact that they're actually economic migrants who come well-equipped with fake papers, smartphones, money, etc.

And once in Great Britain & established, are able to bring in other family members via an airline, without getting their feet wet

 

[JumbleDuck]

These people clearly cannot be integrated within our society in such large numbers & furthermore a large majority of them do not WANT to be integrated.

The latter point has a grain of truth: the vast majority of asylum seekers want to go back home. But "such large numbers"? There are 40,000 asylum seekers in the UK, making up about 2 in every 3,000 of the population. That really isn't much of a threat.

 

[JumbleDuck]

But there's a whole community of "do-gooders" here waiting to offer assistance to these poor displaced people. You wouldn't want to frustrate their desire to help.

I'll take people who would like to help those escaping from unimaginable situations over those who think they should be left to drown.

 

[JumbleDuck]

And once in Great Britain & established, are able to bring in other family members via an airline, without getting their feet wet

Good. That sounds entirely reasonable.

 

[Sybarite]

Good. That sounds entirely reasonable.

The added advantage is that with time they will help to dilute generations of English in-breeding.....