Blue Sunray
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You really aren't very bright are you?
RNLI taxi service for illegal immigrants
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You really aren't very bright are you?
AndrewB
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Of course the RNLI must rescue people in distress. But what about those who have deliberately put themselves into distress, to take unscrupulous advantage of what we regard as a moral obligation?
The problem is that the RNLI have become unwitting collaborators in an illegal activity. French boats (with the certain knowledge of French authorities) take out migrants to the very edge of British territorial waters, in the relatively safe area of the separation zone in the Dover Straight TSS. They are then transferred to a dinghy, which crosses the border, while a distress call is phoned in. RNLI must respond. Sometimes the French boat will actually stand by in case 'assistance' is needed. With luck they'll be picked up within the hour and it is questionable just what danger they are in. But it does sometimes go wrong - last Saturday in the early hours of the morning a dinghy got lost and it was three hours in freezing conditions before they were picked up.
If only the RNLI got some of the huge profit from this well-organised criminal scam.
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RichardS
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Personally, I have no problem with asylum seekers being given basic support whilst their cases are examined .... but anything they receive which is funded by the UK taxpayer is clearly a benefit in the normal sense of the word. There is no other rational interpretation.
In fact, even if their benefits were funded by contributions from the planet Zog, they would still be benefits.
Richard
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Blue Sunray
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Single handed long distance sailors?
Resolution
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The Resolution family have been enjoying a harmonious Christmas, in a good-humoured chaotic way that seems to prove everyone was enjoying themselves. Even the puppy found that eating decorations off the Christmas tree was fun.
So to have to think about refugees is a bit of a drag back to the real, everyday world. Migration has always been a background factor whichever part of the world you look at. Sometimes it becomes a front line factor, sometimes good , sometimes messy. You only have to consider the world's "leading" country for now, the USA, to see that under certain circumstances it can work out very well overall. It must be a mistake to look at these latest cross-Channel bunch from a purely British perspective, we are only a part of a similar problem for most of Europe. Viewed from any number of less wealthy countries/ continents (Pakistan, India, most of Africa) there must be a strong economic attraction in coming to live and work in Europe.
I and many of my generation were economic migrants when we left stagnant post-colonial Britain in the seventies and went to work in fast-growing exciting Asia.
The key, IMHO, is to selectively welcome a calculated number of migrants, so that we have a flow of new ideas and energy into our mature European societies but not so much that they cannot be absorbed productively. The worst case is to have large numbers of very different political refugees who bring few skills, cannot find work and fail to integrate.
It must also be sensible to develop a pan-European ID card system
End of rant, time to go off for the Boxing Day fun run.
Have a great New Year to you all.
Peter
So to have to think about refugees is a bit of a drag back to the real, everyday world. Migration has always been a background factor whichever part of the world you look at. Sometimes it becomes a front line factor, sometimes good , sometimes messy. You only have to consider the world's "leading" country for now, the USA, to see that under certain circumstances it can work out very well overall. It must be a mistake to look at these latest cross-Channel bunch from a purely British perspective, we are only a part of a similar problem for most of Europe. Viewed from any number of less wealthy countries/ continents (Pakistan, India, most of Africa) there must be a strong economic attraction in coming to live and work in Europe.
I and many of my generation were economic migrants when we left stagnant post-colonial Britain in the seventies and went to work in fast-growing exciting Asia.
The key, IMHO, is to selectively welcome a calculated number of migrants, so that we have a flow of new ideas and energy into our mature European societies but not so much that they cannot be absorbed productively. The worst case is to have large numbers of very different political refugees who bring few skills, cannot find work and fail to integrate.
It must also be sensible to develop a pan-European ID card system
End of rant, time to go off for the Boxing Day fun run.
Have a great New Year to you all.
Peter
KINGFISHER 9
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Australia seems to manage the problem pretty well ... 
Daydream believer
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I have not read the whole thread, so apologies if said already; but a question arises.
If a lorry driver unknowingly imports an illegal immigrant on his lorry, I understand that he gets a £ 2000-00 fine per immigrant.
Does that still stand?? Has that now stopped?
If it has not, then on the same basis, should not the RNLI be fined the same for every illegal immigrant they import??
Might make the management at Poole put their thinking caps on. There would be loads of excuses, not to put to sea, to protect their £ 650 zillions--- like inappropriately marked cups or something.:encouragement:
Of course they could get a clued up university student to go to all the south coast RNLI posts to "re organise & streamline" them all, so they go on strike for a while. That would solve the issue.
If a lorry driver unknowingly imports an illegal immigrant on his lorry, I understand that he gets a £ 2000-00 fine per immigrant.
Does that still stand?? Has that now stopped?
If it has not, then on the same basis, should not the RNLI be fined the same for every illegal immigrant they import??
Might make the management at Poole put their thinking caps on. There would be loads of excuses, not to put to sea, to protect their £ 650 zillions--- like inappropriately marked cups or something.:encouragement:
Of course they could get a clued up university student to go to all the south coast RNLI posts to "re organise & streamline" them all, so they go on strike for a while. That would solve the issue.
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The human population has grown 40 times since the profit Jesus formulated his persuasive creed based on the world he encountered 2000 years ago.
Who knows what Jesus would have thought of this wretched world we experience today, maybe Elton is the 2nd coming.
JumbleDuck
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Personally, I have no problem with asylum seekers being given basic support whilst their cases are examined .... but anything they receive which is funded by the UK taxpayer is clearly a benefit in the normal sense of the word. There is no other rational interpretation.
In fact, even if their benefits were funded by contributions from the planet Zog, they would still be benefits.
I apologise if I was not clear. Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are two different groups. Asylum seekers get very limited support while their cases are determined and then, if given leave to remain, are treated like UK citizens. Illegal immigrants get nothing at all. Of course it is possible for illegal immigrants to claim asylum after arriving, but it doesn't happen nearly as often as people think. There are about 40,000 ayslum seekers in the UK and around - it is obviously difficult to get accurate figures - about ten times as many illegal immigrant residents.
There are disadvantages to registering as an asylum seeker. You only get your £35 per week if you live in the accommodation allocated and you cannot undertake any paid work while your case is being determined. Most illegal immigrants come here to work and earn money, just like most legal immigrants.
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JumbleDuck
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Australia seems to manage the problem pretty well ...
The rest of the world frowns on concentration camps.
awol
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How the RNLI works 101 - Each lifeboat has a launch master who decides whether to launch their craft (or not). The Coastguard - a UK government agency of the Department of Transport, minister the useless Chris Grayling - may request a launch of a lifeboat. It is a brave launch master that refuses a launch request from the MCA.
So, stop deriding the RNLI, their choices are very limited. As to their rescuees being able to claim UK benefits - nae chance. The Home Office - Sajid Javid Secretary, 2nd generation immigrant and much more intelligent than his predecessors - seem intent on deporting anyone they can even if they have been living here since childhood, or are indeed still children. I can't imagine they are very welcoming to those the RNLI bring ashore.
I can only assume the posters who object to the "rescues" are part of the minority 37% of the country misguided enough to vote for Brexit - I despair!
So, stop deriding the RNLI, their choices are very limited. As to their rescuees being able to claim UK benefits - nae chance. The Home Office - Sajid Javid Secretary, 2nd generation immigrant and much more intelligent than his predecessors - seem intent on deporting anyone they can even if they have been living here since childhood, or are indeed still children. I can't imagine they are very welcoming to those the RNLI bring ashore.
I can only assume the posters who object to the "rescues" are part of the minority 37% of the country misguided enough to vote for Brexit - I despair!
Yes, but my views differ from yours, which isn't the same thing...
steve yates
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My fav post ever
Genius.steve yates
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Yes, except that I don't know where you get the largely unemployable from.
macd
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Pure fiction, but I can see how such a prospect might trouble someone whose motto is "Arbeit macht frei".
arto
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Saving lives? Isn't that what the RNLI do? Or do these particular lives not count?
For what it's worth, I'll continue to support the RNLI.
For what it's worth, I'll continue to support the RNLI.
Daydream believer
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Dead right .
Poor old truck driver gets penalised for a simple mistake.
RNLI do a blatant act of aiding and abetting & get away with it.
macd
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Congratulations. In a thread notable for inhumanity, that's a new low.
elton
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The presenter of WATO this lunchtime, pointed out to an immigration apologist, that asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they can reach. The apologist answered by commenting on the "low numbers", as if it was some kind of excuse. It's really quite disturbing, that these warped individuals move freely among us..
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