RNLI/RYA/MCA Research Project

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Dear yacht sailors,
>
>I'm writing to ask for your help with a new project being run by the
>Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI), with the support of the
>Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) and the Royal Yachting Association
>(RYA). You might have seen press releases from the partner
>organisations about the study in the past week.
>
>The project seeks to explore yacht sailors' attitudes to risk and
>safety, and the various ways they participate in their sport. The
>research will also look at what motivates sailors, how often they go to
>sea, their experience and training, awareness of potential hazards and
>use of safety procedures and equipment. The findings will be used to
>help develop tailored and relevant safety messages for yacht sailing community.
>
>An online questionnaire recently launched (on Thursday 9 October) and
>will run for five weeks, during which time anyone who participates in
>yacht sailing * no matter how often or what level of experience * is
>invited to participate. It would really help us if you could spare 15
>minutes to complete the survey.
>
>To find out more about the study, or to complete the survey, please
>visit: http://www.rnliyachting.substance.coop/
>
>Everyone who participates in the survey is offered the option of free
>entry into a prize draw to win a McMurdo Fast Find personal locator
>beacon. A winner will be chosen at random by 15 November 2014. Full
>terms and conditions for the prize draw, as well as further information
>about the study, can also be found through the above link.
>
>Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any questions about
>the study or survey.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Tom Walters
 
Very bad wording: "sailors". Is the survey restricted to those who use flappy things, or does it include moboists, rowers, canoeists, surfboarders as well ?

To be frank, that press release is semantically lacking in clarity of intent and lexical connectivity.


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sarabande said:
Very bad wording: "sailors". Is the survey restricted to those who use flappy things, or does it include moboists, rowers, canoeists, surfboarders as well ?
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Isn't "yacht sailors" fairly easy to understand? Why might you think that included canoes or surfboards?
 
why would the initiating dis-organisation want to consider risk appetite and safety awareness in a small proportion of those who use the waters in and around the UK ?

The article does not explain with clarity exactly the purpose, remit, and assumptions of the study.
 
sarabande said:
why would the initiating dis-organisation want to consider risk appetite and safety awareness in a small proportion of those who use the waters in and around the UK ?

The article does not explain with clarity exactly the purpose, remit, and assumptions of the study.
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Don't worry, it's probably just so they can make a better argument for compulsory training and licensing.
 
agreed very much. Highlighting any disparity between the real-time risks involved in boating, and the lack of awareness or indifference to such risk by boaters, would give ammunition to any efforts to make licensing a compulsory aspect of our recreation or sport.

Wedge. Thin end of.
 
BINGO!!!

I go them all :o

Gone overboard, Capsized, Vessel sank (well nearly on that one), Run aground, Stranded (e.g. engine failure/no wind), Been hit when gybing, Had another form of injury/medical issue, Had a fire, Collided with another vessel, Had equipment failure.

None of which needed outside assistance I made that point clear.... Will see already have a PLB but nothing wrong with a second for SWMBO maybe :D
 
sarabande said:
Highlighting any disparity between the real-time risks involved in boating, and the lack of awareness or indifference to such risk by boaters, would give ammunition to any efforts to make licensing a compulsory aspect of our recreation or sport.
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The RYA have always been very clear that they do not support compulsory licensing for recreational sailors. I would be very surprised (and extremely disappointed) if they were involved in a project which would make this more likely.

I did the survey, and found it rather subject to interpretation. I wouldn't consider any conclusions drawn from it as robust.
 
andrewbroadbent said:
The RYA have always been very clear that they do not support compulsory licensing for recreational sailors. I would be very surprised (and extremely disappointed) if they were involved in a project which would make this more likely.

I did the survey, and found it rather subject to interpretation. I wouldn't consider any conclusions drawn from it as robust.
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I rather thought the effort the survey makes to differentiate between ones general approach to safety - and what one actually did on their last trip - is fraught with the potential to mislead. We do different things in different circumstances - and it is acquiring and maintaining the judgement to assess what is appropriate which is most important for sailing safely, in my view.
 
pvb said:
Don't worry, it's probably just so they can make a better argument for compulsory training and licensing.
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They probably want more money. Money is their god. The RYA is the only organisation I have ever come across that actively ignores disability discrimination. Sailability is supposed to be the part of the RYA for disabled sailors but they refused to act when the East Anglian Sailing Trust discriminated against me because I am disabled and EAST are RYA contributors with RYA top people as members. The RYA have no credibility as far as my wife and I are concerned.
 
toyboy said:
They probably want more money. Money is their god. The RYA is the only organisation I have ever come across that actively ignores disability discrimination. Sailability is supposed to be the part of the RYA for disabled sailors but they refused to act when the East Anglian Sailing Trust discriminated against me because I am disabled and EAST are RYA contributors with RYA top people as members. The RYA have no credibility as far as my wife and I are concerned.
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Interesting. Money may well be the RNLI's god too. And empire-building is probably the MCA's god!
 
I completed the survey but agree it is/will be very open to interpretation and gave little or no opportunity to comment on answers. Of course it is difficult to create a survey which is easily analysed, as I know having done this myself in my business life. Key may be whether they actually do follow it up with some as they have suggested and whether this helps them to understand the bare data they get back.
 
James_Calvert said:
I rather thought the effort the survey makes to differentiate between ones general approach to safety - and what one actually did on their last trip - is fraught with the potential to mislead.
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Agree there will probably be a lot of scope to make the results support any required agenda.

Given the importance which seems to be being attached to it, one might have thought they'd get someone like YouGov to help them write a decent set of questions.

Pete
 
bobgarrett said:
I completed the survey but agree it is/will be very open to interpretation and gave little or no opportunity to comment on answers. Of course it is difficult to create a survey which is easily analysed, as I know having done this myself in my business life. Key may be whether they actually do follow it up with some as they have suggested and whether this helps them to understand the bare data they get back.
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I used the "other" option to comment on things where I felt the question was to directed.
 
I've done it but found many questions ill written and over simplistic.
Am I a naughty boy for not having worn a harness and lifeline and a PLB throughout my last trip - a round the cans that was shortened after 3 hours because there was almost no wind? I wear them all when appropriate.
Like many people, I do maybe 25 round the cans half days a year locally in known waters, and 3 or 4 weeks live aboard cruising in partly known, partly unknown UK and abroad coastal waters. Oh, and 3 cross channel races. How do you fit that into average/typical/most common/last trip boxes?
Is running aground a high risk? Yes level 5 if it's a rocky lee shore, no level 1 if it's a sandbank at low tide on a calm day.
I did get a nasty feeling it's designed to support more regulation on training and rules.
 
I thought it was a pretty good survey considering the scope and complex nature of the varied boating styles. I used the free text boxes to clarify any that I felt needed it. There was only one question where I was concerned that they may not be getting across what they actually wanted: it was the one about wearing a harness. They had a question about lifejackets being used at any time but the harness was for the entire trip. I answered exactly as written but clarified in free text. I have seen many smaller and simpler surveys which were much worse.
 
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