Rival 38 "Lynn Rival" EPIRB Activated - No Information

[Skents]

Let's hope that this ends well as I am sure we are all thinking about the Chandlers.

Perhaps all of the YBW forumites should start making their voices heard with foreign office to make sure that everything possible is done to help Paul and Rachel?

 

[Deleted member 36384]

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[tristanh]

This is very sad. Fingers crossed that they both come home safe.

I can't see anything that says whereabouts in Britain they are originally from. Does anyone know?

 

[Williwaw]

This is a very worrying time for the family. Let us stick to facts and not wild speculation. We all hope and pray that there will be a safe resolution.

The reference to six people originates from the registered details of the epirb - a Rival 38 has 6 berths - and is nothing to do with the number of people on board.

Michael Smith
Hon Sec, Rival Owners Association
www.rivalowners.org.uk

 

[Moodyjim]

Hi Michael, I imagine that large sums of ransom money are unlikely to be available so although they should remain "safe" it is probably going to be a long and stressful haul for all the family. Our thoughts are with them all of course.
Jim

 

[tennisgirl1]

I am shocked to hear this news. I first saw Lynn Rival in June 2006 in Skopelos when there was a big thunderstorm. Back home, googling for reports of the storm, I found their blog and have followed them across the Med, down the Red Sea and on to India. Their blog inspired me to realize our own plans when we bought Vigdis in 2007 to sail her in the Med. I do hope they come out of this OK. I feel like the Chandlers are old friends, although I have never actually spoken to them.

 

[Neil_Y]

Sad news, I've been wondering if this is the same Lynn Rival I used to sail in the Ionian back in the 80's, she was owned by the Morris family and based in Lefkas for a while.

I just hope they come out of this OK, with or without the boat.

 

[Ariadne]

What is the current F.O. policy on this issue, will our government deal with them, or will they do the usual thing and let them rot (like they seem to do when British nationals get kidnapped!!)until the pirated get bored?

 

[MrCramp]

What is the current F.O. policy on this issue, will our government deal with them, or will they do the usual thing and let them rot (like they seem to do when British nationals get kidnapped!!)until the pirated get bored?

I am sure the F.O. will be dealing with this although they may not be able to say much.

I do hope they come out of it OK but I expect it may take some time. At least it is reassuring to know they are safe and well even if they are being unlawfully detained.

 

[Ariadne]

Yes I would expect the F.O. to sort it out!
Its being called piracy on the high sea - its illegal and as a tax payer I would the UK government to sort out the pirates who are a hazard to shipping.
Maybe direct action will work - seems to work for other countries. They'll be tracking them by satellite the SBS could resolve this seconds.

As for where I sail that is my decision, sorry the worlds shipping can not be stopped by a few.
Now if you to argue the pros and cons of sailing in the Indian Ocean go and start another thread about it.

Lynn Rival have been a great inspiration for us and they have given us loads of tips and info on sailing this area. I hope this is sorted ASAP.

 

[Andy M C]

Sad news, I've been wondering if this is the same Lynn Rival I used to sail in the Ionian back in the 80's, she was owned by the Morris family and based in Lefkas for a while.

I just hope they come out of this OK, with or without the boat.

Hi Neil,
Yes, this is the same Lynn Rival! Originally built/fitted out by my in-laws Michael & Naomi Morris. We spent many enjoyable holidays cruising around the Ionian in her. I seem to remember meeting up with yourself on one trip.

She was sold to Paul and Rachel back in the mid 90's. The last time I saw her was in Lefkas harbour back in 2002.

It is a frightening situation and I hope and pray for the safe release of the couple.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Folks - If at all possible lets keep this posting free for info on this particular subject only, messages of support etc.

If anyone wishes to discuss piracy I would request that you consider a new post.

Thanks

Please if possible try and keep all related discussions to other postings. A previous poster has commented that this is quite a worrying time for the family.

 

[Dipper]

There has been a sighting from a helicopter of a yacht towing two skiffs in the expected position of the missing yacht. See here. http://web.orange.co.uk/article/new...om=hp4&link=ticker_pos_1_link_1&article=index

Let's hope it is the missing boat and something can be done about it.

 

[tim_ber]

It is good news that the yacht has been spotted.

Reports are that hostages have been well looked after in the past.

Let's hope the SBS are sent in (if not already on their way) as the French sent in special forces for their hostages and affected a rescue.

Only 2 hostages in this case should make the rescue even easier than the complicated French one.

The SBS are the best on the planet apparently, better than SAS, SEALS etc.

 

[NormanS]

There was some self styled "Maritime Security Expert" on BBC Breakfast this morning, pontificating about this worrying incident.

The interviewer, pointing out that this form of piracy, sadly fairly common off Somalia, and normally targeting big ships, questioned why the pirates would attack a sailing yacht. Ah, says the expert, the yacht would be worth the "best part of a million pounds".

On a serious note, let's hope that there is a safe outcome.

 

[xxyyzz]

The first 50K is always the best part.

 

[Sailfree]

Folks - If at all possible lets keep this posting free for info on this particular subject only, messages of support etc.

If anyone wishes to discuss piracy I would request that you consider a new post.

Thanks

While scuttlebutt may not be on the reading lists of the pirates information does tend to get spread and could end up as part of a newspaper report, so please remember that your recommendations for action or possible wild suggestions may well coincide with an actual rescue plan.

Can I respectfully add my request to that above and lets leave discussions of rescue or actions to be taken until after they are free.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Let's hope the SBS are sent in (if not already on their way) as the French sent in special forces for their hostages and affected a rescue.

Awful expensive, though. Probably cheaper just to let the couple and their friends rustle up a ransom and put it down as a valuable learning experience.

 

[halfway]

Sailfree is right

Please observe Sailfrees recommendation. It is the lack of appreciation of the two different types of pirates that has created this problem.

The old traditional coastal pirates were fishermen or people traffickers that had chance encounters with yachts. They did it for equipment and money.

The new breed of pirates that have emerged since the time of the birth of AIS are a commercial military organization that use intelligence gathering network. They monitor AIS transmission far up the Gulf, even probably in Suez, and around southern Africa to plan their next attack. They also monitor all the internet for vessel descriptions, data and travel plans.

They are not the same people.

These unfortunate couple took a rally from Turkey to India as their first big trip and then suddenly they are left with no mutual support and go off sailing alone thinking they were as safe as before.

However, their log gives all the details that organized pirates need. Sailing speed, departure date, future plans, on board equipment list via MARS database and photos, and crew complement and age. However, what was different was they had no rally for support.

End of November 2007 they chalk up a milestone for being 100 miles from a coast for the first time! Most sailing, from then, was with an organised flotilla.

After reading the log they were not even on the boat for long periods of 2009 and with family problems, spares problems, engine problems and groundings, it looks like they missed all the weather windows. Then on the 7th October they announced to the world their plans. Then on the 21st gave 24 hours notice of leaving to cross a pirate zone! They were intercepted within 24 hours of their expected departure time which would be about 150 miles off the coast.

This is exactly why we have to start being more intelligent while yachting. Our life style is prey to pirates, rogue officials, drug smugglers, and people traffickers. If we are to maintain it we must protect ourselves from the exploitation and nanny state issues. For that we need to stop people going off like this. Not by legislation, but by education. I am all for freedom, but while being free you should be aware of your effects on others. If this means further checks and restrictions under nanny state powers, how can others stay free.

(PS. We also need to stop the "boarder" agency suspecting us all, and instead start helping them. I would rather see boats register with them permanently and have a way to easily communicate "odd" goings on. Also with the trust that they will treat the matter sensibly, as a suspicion, and not fly off in SAS mode. It is only a power crazy management that assumes it can police the best designed coastline in the world for smuggling)

I'll go back into my bunk now, and leave you in peace again. I pray that the authorities will sort out the release of this couple soon.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Please observe Sailfrees recommendation. It is the lack of appreciation of the two different types of pirates that has created this problem.

The old traditional coastal pirates were fishermen or people traffickers that had chance encounters with yachts. They did it for equipment and money.

The new breed of pirates that have emerged since the time of the birth of AIS are a commercial military organization that use intelligence gathering network. They monitor AIS transmission far up the Gulf, even probably in Suez, and around southern Africa to plan their next attack. They also monitor all the internet for vessel descriptions, data and travel plans.

The origin of the Somali pirates seems quite different again, though. Initially it seems to have been more or less a self-defence reaction to illegal fishing and dumping in Somali waters. Unscrupulous outsiders took and take advantage of the lack of effective government there and effectively destroy the livelihoods of the fishermen. So they took matters into their own hands and started boarding and detaining ships they believed to be involved in these illegal practices. Now, of course, it has grown enormously and (to the extent that it was ever justifiable before) unjustifiably.

However, they don't seem to be interested in more than money, only 1% of the crew members involved have been killed - often in rescue attempts - and this couple should therefore be fine as long as negotiations proceed, someone can sell their house for them ... and no daft politicians try to make a name for themselves just before a general election by sending in the military in a gung-ho adventure.

Pressure from yachties for the government to do something really may not be in the best interests of this pair.