Rinker Captiva 232 Vs Cranchi Turchese 24 Vs Regal 2350

Which boat would you recommend?

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DazzyWoo said:
Thanks Adey - the more I read, the more I'm considering dry stacking. The operation at Yacht Haven looks really good. :cool: Do you know anything about this lot? http://blacknessmarine.co.uk/index.php
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Sorry, never heard of them.
The dry stack at Yacht Haven is good though. I kept mine in a marina but lifted out there for maintenance, seemed quite a good setup. Dry stacking means no more anti fouling, anode changing or even putting all the canopies up every time since it's stored indoors. Also no need to fret about lines when a storm is forecast.
From there you can waterski on the Plym, drive out past the breakwater to the beaches if the weather's good or pootle up the Tamar if it's not.
Why not look at the SeaRay I linked to above since you're in Devon? No connection to me but it's got a windlass, Vacuflush bog with holding tank and newish canopies and exhausts. Don't underestimate the value of the windlass and decent bog for keeping SWMBO on board (pun intended). If she's anything like mine, using a porta potti and hauling chain would have resulted in solo boating very early on...
 
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Hmmmm - you make a good point. I am not sure I had properly considered SWMBO's requirements (potty or othewise)!

Re: Sea Ray - I've just not been that taken with the photo's that I;ve seen of the layout. However as people do seem to be consistently positive about them - so I think I will at least have to go and have a look :)
 
Nautibusiness said:
Of those that are being discussed, I prefer the hull on the Cranchi from a handling perspective. I find the cuddy on the Cranchi and the Regal a little small, but I prefer the build quality on the Cranchi over the others. But it's just opinion!
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Yep, but make it two opinions.
 
I must have chosen a wrong wording.
I wasn't arguing about the grammar - though I can now see why you read it that way.
What I meant is that my opinion is exactly the same as yours. :)
 
DazzyWoo said:
Hmmmm - you make a good point. I am not sure I had properly considered SWMBO's requirements (potty or othewise)!

Re: Sea Ray - I've just not been that taken with the photo's that I;ve seen of the layout. However as people do seem to be consistently positive about them - so I think I will at least have to go and have a look :)
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WHOAAAA now,
absolutely dont start down the SWMBO needs route.
On 23 ft you will only need a smallish anchor, so it is vital you are doing all the really tricky stuff at the helm like polishing your shades, while telling her to stop messing about and pull the damn anchor out. NEVER EVER suggest it would be safe for you to leave your command post. and help. Good god man.... I am feeling a bit faint at the thought.
Toilets.. well you can do the Frenchie bit and stand out the stern of the boat with your trunks down and fill up the ocean a bit, all in open view of course. Once she realises she will have to do something similar, all the beer and vino will be yours.
The next thing I will be reading on here is that the man washes the boat.
Frankly it sounds like one or two members should be thrown off the forum.
 
Well Tom,

We will have to agree to disagree. Large Sunpads are a waste of space as UK mooring is very expensive and wasting 5ft on a sunpad you will use once a year is a waste. In the Med you can use it 9 months a year. Therefore large Sunpads are on Med Spec Boats. With the Exception of Sunseeker, how many UK boat builders build/have built large Sunpads.....Princess in the V39/V40 on their MEDSPEC.....none on the Sealine range, Princess range, fairline range except T30. Med spec boats have useless Canopies as well, especially Cranchi! US boats are much better suited to the UK as they have usable decent canvas, bigger cockpit and a decent Cuddy.

Having Owned Glastron, Regal, Chaparral, Maxum, Aquador, Sunseeker, I think they are well suited for UK, though Sunpad on Mexico much more use in Med, even in Feb.

I know you sell and use boats but newbies often buy the wrong boat so trying to highlight pitfalls is what this forum is about. I tailored my reply to his question on how he will use it.

Paul
 
Nautorius said:
With the Exception of Sunseeker, how many UK boat builders build/have built large Sunpads.....Princess in the V39/V40 on their MEDSPEC.....none on the Sealine range, Princess range, fairline range except T30.l
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Hmmm. Off the top of my head, Princess v42 current model, v45, v48 both old and new models, v50, v53, v56, v57, v58, v62, v65, v72, v78. Fairline t40, t43, t44 prev model, t47, t48 both old and new models, t52, t58, t62 both old and new models, t64. (I'm not very familiar with sealine).

Just sayin'.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Hmmm. Off the top of my head, Princess v42 current model, v45, v48 both old and new models, v50, v53, v56, v57, v58, v62, v65, v72, v78. Fairline t40, t43, t44 prev model, t47, t48 both old and new models, t52, t58, t62 both old and new models, t64. (I'm not very familiar with sealine).

Just sayin'.

Cheers
Jimmy
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Yes, But we are talking about 24ft so was thinking about there previous Sub 30ft models as a lot of new ones must end up in warmer climates....!
 
Nautorius said:
Well Tom,

We will have to agree to disagree. Large Sunpads are a waste of space as UK mooring is very expensive and wasting 5ft on a sunpad you will use once a year is a waste. In the Med you can use it 9 months a year. Therefore large Sunpads are on Med Spec Boats. With the Exception of Sunseeker, how many UK boat builders build/have built large Sunpads.....Princess in the V39/V40 on their MEDSPEC.....none on the Sealine range, Princess range, fairline range except T30. Med spec boats have useless Canopies as well, especially Cranchi! US boats are much better suited to the UK as they have usable decent canvas, bigger cockpit and a decent Cuddy.

Having Owned Glastron, Regal, Chaparral, Maxum, Aquador, Sunseeker, I think they are well suited for UK, though Sunpad on Mexico much more use in Med, even in Feb.

I know you sell and use boats but newbies often buy the wrong boat so trying to highlight pitfalls is what this forum is about. I tailored my reply to his question on how he will use it.

Paul
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Again, all your opinion Paul.

I am sat here looking at some lovely American boats.
With very large Sunpads!

As it is, my OPINION of the larger (25'+) American boats versus European boats (and bear in mind I deal in Sea Ray and Jeanneau so both sides of the pond) is that there layout it nothing like as practical for Europe. But who am I to make that decision who feels that one cabin and an alfresco galley is just for them.
 
Nautorius said:
Well Tom,

We will have to agree to disagree. Large Sunpads are a waste of space as UK mooring is very expensive and wasting 5ft on a sunpad you will use once a year is a waste.

Paul
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So given that the sunpad on the Cranchi is just really an upholstered enginebay cover, where is the engine going to go in a sportsboat if the cockpit reaches right back to the transom..?

Ok so some boats squeeze a couple of jump seats either side of a big upholstered engine box, but in terms of space there's little advantage and personally I'd rather have the big u-shaped seating area than a load of little individual seats, far more versatile.

As for canopies, you can have a canopy on any boat designed to be just how you want it.

So I'm afraid I'm still failing to see quite how the Cranchi is "Med spec".

Out of the choices given in this thread's poll, I'm another that would choose the Cranchi (not that it will let me vote for some reason).

Agree with Nautibusiness about the raw water cooled engine too, virtually all petrol engines are raw water cooled (a few old 4 cylinder Volvos had fresh water cooling, but that's about it). There are masses of them sat in marinas, my last boat was raw water cooled (Mercruiser) and sat in a marina. It's not an issue, it's just that, as has been said, you need to be aware of the risers.
 
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ari said:
So given that the sunpad on the Cranchi is just really an upholstered enginebay cover, where is the engine going to go in a sportsboat if the cockpit reaches right back to the transom..?

Ok so some boats squeeze a couple of jump seats either side of a big upholstered engine box, but in terms of space there's little advantage and personally I'd rather have the big u-shaped seating area than a load of little individual seats, far more versatile.

Agree with Nautibusiness about the raw water cooled engine too, virtually all petrol engines are raw water cooled (a few old 4 cylinder Volvos had fresh water cooling, but that's about it). There are masses of them sat in marinas, my last boat was raw water cooled (Mercruiser) and sat in a marina. It's not an issue, it's just that, as has been said, you need to be aware of the risers.
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My boat has U shaped seating sections of which are on top of the engine cover (and it's American; a Four Winns Sundowner). Instead of a sunpad, the remaining space on top of the engine cover behind the seats is used for 2 handy storage lockers.

Virtually all recent Volvo Penta petrol engines were available at extra cost with factory fittted fresh water cooling. Prior that, a dealer fit option. Few people seem to have ticked that option box; much as many boats have the smaller 5.0 V8 as it's the basic engine, rather than opting for the more appropriate bigger engines. I wish mine had the big block 8.1 V8, but it's only got the 5.7 small block !
 
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GrahamHR said:
Few people seem to have ticked that option box;
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Most of the boats will be former stock boats rather than built to order and as a result the customer has what is in front of them.
The option is there for fresh water cooling, but it usually costs a fair bit more so even when it is a factory order, you are right, the box rarely gets ticked.

One of my favourite American sport cuddy boats is the SeaRay 230 Overnighter... remarkably similar looking to a Turchese 24 when all things are considered.
Great hull on that boat too.
 
gjgm said:
WHOAAAA now,
absolutely dont start down the SWMBO needs route.
On 23 ft you will only need a smallish anchor, so it is vital you are doing all the really tricky stuff at the helm like polishing your shades, while telling her to stop messing about and pull the damn anchor out. NEVER EVER suggest it would be safe for you to leave your command post. and help. Good god man.... I am feeling a bit faint at the thought.
Toilets.. well you can do the Frenchie bit and stand out the stern of the boat with your trunks down and fill up the ocean a bit, all in open view of course. Once she realises she will have to do something similar, all the beer and vino will be yours.
The next thing I will be reading on here is that the man washes the boat.
Frankly it sounds like one or two members should be thrown off the forum.
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I have a lot to learn :D
 
Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post their views. I have read everyone's posts and taken away something from each of them, even if was just a good laugh :)

Each boat appears to have its strengths and weaknesses, and one man's meet is another man's poison. It sems to me that the number of hours done by used cruisers is generally higher than the hours done by used cuddys and people generally seem to keep hold of their cruisers for longer than their cuddy's (obviously there are exceptions). Having said we knew what we (a cuddy moored in Devon) - I think we're seriously reconsidering a Sun Ray Sundancer type cruiser, and we are also tempted by the dry stack option.

I'm going to spend the next few weekend trawling round a few brokers/ marinas looking at as many boats as I can! I've also booked a weekend helmsman course for me and the missus on a cruiser - which hopefully will allow us to see what we do / do not like (gjgm I'll block off access to the heads, and insist SWMBO pulls the anchor up - so we have a sensible benchmark to compare against).

I'm beginning to think we might be better off saving up a little bit longer and spending a bit more (£22.5K +/- 10%)???. Hopefully we will getter a better class of boat, and will recover the extra costs a) in enjoyment and b) when we come to sell.

Thanks again
DW
 
GrahamHR said:
My boat has U shaped seating sections of which are on top of the engine cover (and it's American; a Four Winns Sundowner). Instead of a sunpad, the remaining space on top of the engine cover behind the seats is used for 2 handy storage lockers.
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I'm not sure what model you have, but if it's like this Sundowner then it looks like the sunpad space is simply lost as a very long sloping transom instead, pushing the seats forward, so I'm still not sure what you gain over a small sunpad like the Turchese.

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Ultimately in a sportsboat the engine has to go somewhere. They're too low to hide it under the floor so you've got it eating up space however it's disguised.
 
I think that's a post 2002 205 (later renamed 215) or a 225. might even be the short lived 215 or 235 from around 2000- 2001, Mine's a 2004 245, there's a lot of space in the cockpit. Most of what you see there in the photo is the ESP; the actual engine cover ends just aft of where the name is. So maybe about 2' aft of the back of the seats. The engine compartment ends and the transom is a few inches further aft. Using that 2' space used for the locker for a sunpad wouldn't make it that useful or safe on these boats! Mine uses about 2' for the locker as well.

The earlier Sundowners (ca 1996 to 2000) had a "Sunsport" seating option; hasically bucket seats, a sunpad and a bench or U seating. The sunpad wasn't used on the 1999 one we had for sitting in the sun any more often that the ESP is used on the 2004 one, Admittedly that is off Anglesey, not the sunny South coast of the UK . but I do remember it being warm, not windy and sunny one day in late 2004 !
 
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I never really updated this.

We looked at a lot of boats. For us in the end, live aboard practicality counted the most. The layout that suited us best was Bayliner 285, which we purchased in Aug 2013.

. I've had it for a year now, and I love it :). The negatives are: pretty awful to helm, petrol engine, questionable looks, and unable to walk 360 degrees round the perimeter. The plusses are a boat we can take pretty much anywhere, cost just over £30k, can accommodate 6 adults for drinks easily, sleeps 4, powered windlass, proper heads, heated water, shower, microwave, 2 x hob plates, very comfortable, easy to berth (duo prop stern drive, plus now thruster), practical canvas mean we can use it in all weathers. And we would need to double, probably triple our spend to address all the short comings. To me, it's a lot of boat for the money.

Now I've got the hang of it, I'm saving up for a 34 model. sea line s34, targa 34 or something else? ;)
 
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