right of way

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Who has the right of way - a sailing boat, which is motoring, or the racing (under sail only) which is overtaking (and wanting to cross) the motoring boat's bows? I thought it was the overtaking boat which gives way, and the overtaken boat which should be the standon vessel.
 
Overtaking boat is the give way vessel regardless of whether sailing or motoring. (Until it is past and clear, after which it may cross over the other boats intended path, if it will not impede it. If it does impede the overtaken vessel then it is not truly "past and clear"))
 
correct, the overtaking rule is not dependent on whether you are sailing or motoring, but not a lot of people seem to know that!

Furthermore, every racing skipper reckons that all other boats should give way to those who are racing!
 
We all jumped in at once here! IMHO racing is not an excuse for bad manners or bad seamanship, no matter how much some racing skippers seem to think it gives them right of way.
 
Here goes another colregs thread.
I agree with you - overtaken boat is "stand on"

Any twat that passes me and immediately cuts across my bows racing or not is a moron.

The "I'm racing, get out of my way" brigade cut no ice with me - I usually shout back "So what, so am I"

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Try telling that to the young windsurfer who tried to overtake me in my tender while I was standing 10 meters off the slipway waiting for another windsurfer to clear so as not to foul his sail in my prop. I hate it when courtesy is abused.
 
Ticked off ...

Ignore it - we all knew what you meant .... some people just like to nit-pick !!

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Strange Attitudes..........

I sometimes wonder about my fellow sailors when someone cruising and under engine is so intransigent about his right of way over another sailor who he knows is racing.

Of course racing is no excuse for not following colregs and nothing is an excuse for being rude - but cruising is not an excuse for being bloody minded either.

When you are cruising it matters not that you loose 5 seconds to alter course and accommodate another - but when one is racing that same loss of time can be the difference twix winning or loosing.

One sad sailor JOHN
 
Re: Strange Attitudes..........

I agree. Being an ex-racer when cruising and finding myself in the middle of a racing fleet I "give way" to everyone within reason and I get a rush from the crews thanks and smiles. Life is too short and I enjoy others pleasure.
 
I agree .... why be obstinate ?

OK - so some race boats are real pain and near dangerous .... but if I can - I do not impede race boats - Why ? If I was pounding out the course - I would like to think that others might give me same consideration.

Isn't it the same as curtesy on the road when you let someone out or pass etc. The Highway code says one thing - but you choose to be generous .... same applies here ....

But of course original post is about a bit different ....
 
Driving instructors are the same. They don't have "throttles" or "accelerators", it's all "gas pedal". The also usually drive like learners.
Seems Sailing instructors are in the same mould.

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There is no such thing as 'right of way'.

You are 'stand on' or 'give way'

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Well, let me be really pedantic, as befits someone who once taught the Collision Regulations for a living. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

There is no such thing as "stand on" or "give way", you are either the "burdened" or the "privileged" vessel.

I think we all know what suse meant, though.

And the overtaking rule is paramount.
 
Now you may be able to answer the original question from Suse.
You see, at what point does the overtaking racing sailor cease to be an overtaking craft and become a sailing craft that is ahead and altering it's course, which the boat under power has to avoid.
That is you can't be an overtaking craft for ever. How far past do you get before you are merely ahead?

(I don't race so it's just hypothetical)
 
Blimey - when did you teach the Rules, and where? I have been teaching them for over 30 years and am very familiar with Rule 16 - Action by Give Way Vessel and Rule 17 - Action by Stand On Vessel.
Wonder if I have been getting it wrong all these years?
 
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You know exactly what I meant! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Yes, it's in the rubrics, but the Law Reports generally avoid the terms, and the USCG can get very picky about it.
 
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