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[rustybarge]

I'm planning an around the Med. trip. I will need an economical boat of about 10 meters.

Fuel costs and Mooring fees above 10m cost an arm and a leg. The trip will include making sea passages between the Greek islands etc.

At planing speed a 33' 4-5 ton boat uses about 7 g/hr = £50 /hr.
Couple hours cruising in the morning, couple in the afternoon= £200 day fuel.
That's £1400 week.
12 weeks season cruising= £17,000 just in fuel!!!!

O.k. so I will have to reduce to displacement speed.

Question: What is the best sea boat at 8 kts that has good sea keeping, won't roll like a pig, and can actually make sea passages between The Greek islands.

 

[SimbaDog]

A yacht! Wind is free

 

[hlb]

Get a yacht.

 

[kcrane]

I'm planning an around the Med. trip. I will need an economical boat of about 10 meters.

Fuel costs and Mooring fees above 10m cost an arm and a leg. The trip will include making sea passages between the Greek islands etc.

At planing speed a 33' 4-5 ton boat uses about 7 g/hr = £50 /hr.
Couple hours cruising in the morning, couple in the afternoon= £200 day fuel.
That's £1400 week.
12 weeks season cruising= £17,000 just in fuel!!!!

O.k. so I will have to reduce to displacement speed.

Question: What is the best sea boat at 8 kts that has good sea keeping, won't roll like a pig, and can actually make sea passages between The Greek islands.

Not arguing with your maths, but I'm confused by the underlying logic.

Just as suggested by other replies I sailed around some of the Greek islands (west and east). I was on charter, so probably sailed more days than I would in my own boat, but let's say I sailed 5 days out of 7. Averaging 5knts it would be common to be at sea of 4 hours a day, so 20 miles. There are usually plenty of destinations within an average of 20 miles.

So in a week I'd cover about 100 miles and visit 5 different locations. I'd think that wasn't unusual.

Assuming your trip is for pleasure and that you did the same as I did, then at an average planing speed of 20knts, you'd be at sea for 5 hours a week, using £250 of fuel. Over the 12 weeks you'd burn £3,000 of fuel and visit 60 different locations That sounds like an extensive trip..

I'm wondering why you are planning on a trip that means you'll be at sea 4 hours every day for 12 weeks, covering 6,720 miles

 

[Deefor]

Menorquin? How much do you want to spend .

http://www.menorquin.com/en/boat-range/menorquin-yachts-classic-line/my-c100

http://www.menorquin.com/en/boat-range/menorquin-llauts/mll-44-toldilla

 

[rustybarge]

Thanks kcrane,
There are a lots of islands to visit, and I have only one season to do it in. Afterwards The boat will be used as a day boat.

 

[rustybarge]

menorquin looks like a beautiful boat. but it has twin 240hp= 12gals hr= £85 hr.

 

[Deefor]

menorquin looks like a beautiful boat. but it has twin 240hp= 12gals hr= £85 hr.

The second one, Toldilla, has a single 160hp (although the photos show twins) but might be a bit on the small side.

 

[kcrane]

Thanks kcrane,
There are a lots of islands to visit, and I have only one season to do it in. Afterwards The boat will be used as a day boat.

You're welcome

That sounds like a mission !

 

[rustybarge]

Actually looks like a fantastic boat. There is normally 4 pob plus visitors etc. looks a little bit on the small side.
Does it have bilge keels to stop rolling?

 

[Chrusty 1]

Actually looks like a fantastic boat. There is normally 4 pob plus visitors etc. looks a little bit on the small side.
Does it have bilge keels to stop rolling?

Bilge keels wont stop you rolling.

 

[Spi D]

Bilge keels wont stop you rolling.

But a sail will
In principle because a sail becomes a part of the elements whereas a motorboat fights them.

Look into motorsailers. Some say it's not a yacht and not a mobo - hence not a boat but I truely disagree.

Some motorsailers are sailboats in disguise - and vice versa

Nordship 32

Coronet Elvström (notice the bulb!)

Nauticat

 

[Chrusty 1]

But a sail will
In principle because a sail becomes a part of the elements whereas a motorboat fights them.

Look into motorsailers. Some say it's not a yacht and not a mobo - hence not a boat but I truely disagree.

Some motorsailers are sailboats in disguise - and vice versa

I heartily concur, A motor sailor of the right sort could be an excellent choice for the med, though they do seem to be a bit pricey for what they are. As a stable inter island plodder, with usually decent accommodation, fuel economy, and reasonable sailing ability, hard to beat really. I quite like the LMs very sturdy construction and very good sailing ability, I tend to think of them as pilot house sailboats. Westerly Konsort Duo is another with good sailing ability.

I just wanted to add that a Nauticat Ketch such as the one in your post would be a very desirable boat for me, if I had the money.

 

[Spi D]

Yes, LM are great. Made here in Denmark with pride by true craftsmen and still popular. The range went from 16' upwards, all made to last.

I've sailed the 24', a very nice and sturdy boat with good room for it's size. Same line of design covers the 27' but the range actually include sailboats too.

Fitted with modest diesels (most often Volvo or Bukh from new) they are very economical to run.

There is an LM site here (Danish language but most speak English so a mail certainly should get a reply).

Gallery, if you like: http://baade.lmklubben.dk/#3.12

Some very well kept samples available, and not too pricey anymore

Nauticat (and replicas) are available at many prices so you might find a bargain. Saw one 44' for sale last year in Mallorca - in demand of TLC but priced accordingly.

 

[capt peter]

sailing-motoring in Greek islands

Hi,
I have just sailed in the Cyclades and saronic seas last month(July 2012) for 2 weeks. We had bad weather 90% of the time! A motoryacht would not have been good at all! The sailing boat handled it very well indeed it was 36 feet long.
2 years ago we cruised the Dodecanese islands for 2 months in my 42 feet motor yacht (plannig motorboat) and apart form 2 bad days it was very pleaesant and quick. ofcourse more expensive than a sailing boat.
With a motor boat you can get from island to island in 1-2 hours. With a sail boat you need 4-5 hours to do just 20 nm!(1 hour max in motorboat).
We decided to just use motorboats from now on as it takes too long with sail.
Hope this helps. The bigger the boat the more stable and more confortable it is.
Regards capt peter