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Tomahawk said:
Next thing is they will put in for planning for developing the boatyard for housing. Call me a cynic and I will accept the compliment.
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Bit of FRED DRIFT Ere ; the River Teign Boayard application to build Homes , Houses , workshops etc etc on part of the RIVERSIDE BOATYARD is being considered again ; comments are being welcomed by the Planning Authorities
 
Tomahawk said:
Meanwhile there is tons of space to build housing with a lovely view of the river which would be highly valuable.. but it is forbidden because the fish and seals get upset at seeing houses. Leasatways that is the only sensible reason I can think of to be so negative about the most imortant of all human needs to be protected from the elements and environment
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I don’t think that it is anything to do with fish and seals , mainly because it is in an AONB.
The likely purchasers of said housing would not be those in need of housing, but wealthy second or third home owners.
Are you suggesting that any designated AONB should be built on?
 
An AONB is not a result of immutable calculations of the natural laws of the universe like Boyles Law, laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, the laws of electrical conductivity.

An AONB is totally artificial. It is the consequence of people with a big ego deciding they know better than the rest of the population as to what is needed and good. Yet when we look at what we get, it is pretty useless. People have to fly abroad with all the attendant pollution and environmental damage for a slice of somewhere nice to relax.
 
TwoHooter said:
Is berthing still free of charge at Snape, lying against the quay? And is there still a free-of-charge anchorage at Havergate?
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Don't know about Snape, but you can still anchor elsewhere in the Ore/Alde without charge, Abraham's Bosom on the West side of Havergate is a good spot, altho' the bird life on the island can be a bit noisy at first light!!
We have also anchored in the Butley river and above Aldeburgh on the bend beyond the last moorings. From there you can get ashore at the Brick Dock, or a bit of a distance to the Aldeburgh YC pontoon.
 
Kukri
You don't like my comment that a so called Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty is not natural? I say to you and everyone there is nothing "natural" about any part of the landscape on the entire of England. Every square yard of land is the product of human intervention. We should be covered in coast to coast deciduous broadleaf forrest. It should be full of bears, wolves lynx or similar and a host of smaller animals like deer and wild boar to feed them and below them in the food chain a plethora of insects and invertebrates. Instead the landscape is sheets of arable crop production delivering a barren monoculture devoid of insects and wildlife. It is this way to produce the food which we eat. Our coastal ecosystems have been destroyed by flood defences that have dried out the salt marshes and turned them into farmland.
What we have may look pretty, but it is not natural in any way. It is a human decision to designate some areas as special where no one is allowed to live for their own benefit whilst making about 90/% of people live in faceless housing estates that have no connection whatsoever with the land.

So I ask, what benefit does a kid being enticed into a street gang in Priory Heath get from a designated AONB where no one is allowed to do anything that may affect the view enjoyed by an extremely privileged bunch of people who can afford to moor their boat in the most expensive marina on the East Coast?
 
Now you see I think Humans are Natural also, So what they have done is surely Natural.......... Bears do what they do, Humans do what they do
 
Tomahawk said:
Kukri
You don't like my comment that a so called Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty is not natural? I say to you and everyone there is nothing "natural" about any part of the landscape on the entire of England. Every square yard of land is the product of human intervention. We should be covered in coast to coast deciduous broadleaf forrest. It should be full of bears, wolves lynx or similar and a host of smaller animals like deer and wild boar to feed them and below them in the food chain a plethora of insects and invertebrates. Instead the landscape is sheets of arable crop production delivering a barren monoculture devoid of insects and wildlife. It is this way to produce the food which we eat. Our coastal ecosystems have been destroyed by flood defences that have dried out the salt marshes and turned them into farmland.
What we have may look pretty, but it is not natural in any way. It is a human decision to designate some areas as special where no one is allowed to live for their own benefit whilst making about 90/% of people live in faceless housing estates that have no connection whatsoever with the land.

So I ask, what benefit does a kid being enticed into a street gang in Priory Heath get from a designated AONB where no one is allowed to do anything that may affect the view enjoyed by an extremely privileged bunch of people who can afford to moor their boat in the most expensive marina on the East Coast?
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I think you posted that lot in the wrong thread
 
Tomahawk said:
Kukri
You don't like my comment that a so called Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty is not natural? I say to you and everyone there is nothing "natural" about any part of the landscape on the entire of England. Every square yard of land is the product of human intervention. We should be covered in coast to coast deciduous broadleaf forrest. It should be full of bears, wolves lynx or similar and a host of smaller animals like deer and wild boar to feed them and below them in the food chain a plethora of insects and invertebrates. Instead the landscape is sheets of arable crop production delivering a barren monoculture devoid of insects and wildlife. It is this way to produce the food which we eat. Our coastal ecosystems have been destroyed by flood defences that have dried out the salt marshes and turned them into farmland.
What we have may look pretty, but it is not natural in any way. It is a human decision to designate some areas as special where no one is allowed to live for their own benefit whilst making about 90/% of people live in faceless housing estates that have no connection whatsoever with the land.

So I ask, what benefit does a kid being enticed into a street gang in Priory Heath get from a designated AONB where no one is allowed to do anything that may affect the view enjoyed by an extremely privileged bunch of people who can afford to moor their boat in the most expensive marina on the East Coast?
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Saltmarsh is entirely natural, for one, and our local versions are of international importance, as well as being an essential part of many coast defences. However, that is not the point, which is that natural areas, however managed, are an essential resource to give us ‘breathing space’ and maintain biodiversity, quite separate from their undoubted recreational use. This is something that can never ever be recovered once lost, which means that development has to be concentrated into smaller areas in our limited land. Should our coasts be turned into something like the Spanish Costas, people will have no alternatives to playing with their bloody phones, kicking balls around, or travelling vast distances for a bit of peace.
 
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