Andrew_Fanner
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Clever trick with the anchor ball to make a cylinder. Must remember that one next some some hooligan in a dinghy tries to get me onto a shoal at Kew.
Restricted manoeuvrability
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graham
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Re: Blue peter type daymarks.
If with your deepdraught you need a "constrained by draught "cylinder daymark.How about a flat piece of cushion floor stowed under a bunk cushion.When needed roll it up into a cylinder shape and tie it with string.
Hang it from your spreaders or off the forestay.Could even paint it black.
wether it will have any effect or not is another question /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
If with your deepdraught you need a "constrained by draught "cylinder daymark.How about a flat piece of cushion floor stowed under a bunk cushion.When needed roll it up into a cylinder shape and tie it with string.
Hang it from your spreaders or off the forestay.Could even paint it black.
wether it will have any effect or not is another question /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
BlueSkyNick
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lots of good tips there, Richard.
My advice would be don't bother going to Bembridge - not worth the diesel getting in and out, let alone the high mooring fee for very little in return.
My advice would be don't bother going to Bembridge - not worth the diesel getting in and out, let alone the high mooring fee for very little in return.
peterb
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Why only under power? Read the definition of constrained by draft in Rule 3. It is limited to power-driven vessels.
rwoofer
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I agree the prices are steep, we paid nearly 30 quid (with a discount) to be rafted 3 out with no electricity.
On the face of it this seems a complete rip-off (especially after having spent 3 weeks in Southern Brittany, where we only got charged for 2 nights in the entire cruise), but we did really enjoy our stay. The harbourmaster is a real character and made us feel really welcome. The walking around Bembridge is great and we even spent a few hours on the beach at Priory Bay.
When we left on Saturday the rafts were at least 4 deep and predominantly made up of boats under 35ft, so I guess the prices are going to stay.
On the face of it this seems a complete rip-off (especially after having spent 3 weeks in Southern Brittany, where we only got charged for 2 nights in the entire cruise), but we did really enjoy our stay. The harbourmaster is a real character and made us feel really welcome. The walking around Bembridge is great and we even spent a few hours on the beach at Priory Bay.
When we left on Saturday the rafts were at least 4 deep and predominantly made up of boats under 35ft, so I guess the prices are going to stay.
ColinHuggins
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This is about communicating with people who are nautically illiterate; no proper signal will suffice (unless there's a claim of course).
I was once hit by a port tack Laser who subsequently stated he was racing so he held his course, and whose reaction after my crew member pointed at him prior to impact was that I'd signalled I was going to turn left.
His insurance paid.
None of which is any help to someone constrained by draft so not following the obvious path out of Bembridge and faced with a flotilla of lunatics.
Should we all carry something that could be improvised as a cylinder?
How many of us have shapes/lights indicating NUC then?
I might just add 'loudhailer' to my shopping list . . .
I was once hit by a port tack Laser who subsequently stated he was racing so he held his course, and whose reaction after my crew member pointed at him prior to impact was that I'd signalled I was going to turn left.
His insurance paid.
None of which is any help to someone constrained by draft so not following the obvious path out of Bembridge and faced with a flotilla of lunatics.
Should we all carry something that could be improvised as a cylinder?
How many of us have shapes/lights indicating NUC then?
I might just add 'loudhailer' to my shopping list . . .
bobgosling
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If motor sailing and constrained should it be an inverted cone AND a cylinder ( which one highest ) ?
And if drudging ( a dangling anchor to slow vessel down ) should you add a ball ?
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And if drudging ( a dangling anchor to slow vessel down ) should you add a ball ?
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PhilipStapleton
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Being pedantic, you were constrained by draft, not limited in your ability to manoeuvre The colregs just call for a cylinder - no particular colour - so a fender should do it. Let us know how you get on!!
benjenbav
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interestingly enough I noticed hms nottingham was flying the cylinder when entering and leaving pompey harbour the last couple of days ....... unusual to say the least
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I suppose if you have form for hitting Australia you have a right to consider yourself constrained by draught when trying to miss Pompey.
interestingly enough I noticed hms nottingham was flying the cylinder when entering and leaving pompey harbour the last couple of days ....... unusual to say the least
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I suppose if you have form for hitting Australia you have a right to consider yourself constrained by draught when trying to miss Pompey.
landaftaf
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LOL /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
peterb
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Shapes
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The colregs just call for a cylinder - no particular colour - so a fender should do it.
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Annex I, Para 6(a):
"Shapes shall be black....."
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The colregs just call for a cylinder - no particular colour - so a fender should do it.
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Annex I, Para 6(a):
"Shapes shall be black....."
peterb
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sarabande
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Black cylinder ? I have a black fender about 2ft by 8", but with that and the motor/sailing cone I'd start running out of places to hoist bits of plastic.
peterb
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It could be argued that you don't need the cone, since by definition a "constrained by draught" boat has to be power-driven. The cylinder should say both that you are constrained and under power.
It could be argued, but not necessarily by me!
It could be argued, but not necessarily by me!
tillip
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Why not many moboers responded in their defence?
landaftaf
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it could be said that the original post declared he was motoring, with no sail up - so the diamond is a red herring.
now never having seen a red herring hoisted with or without a black cylinder, I was wondering if it is covered by the rules /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
now never having seen a red herring hoisted with or without a black cylinder, I was wondering if it is covered by the rules /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Mike21
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Why not many moboers responded in their defence?
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Nothing to defend as he wasn't restricted manoeuvrability, but constrained by draught, secondly it would be reasonable to expect him, as he was not displaying any day shape to the contrary, to keep to starboard ( rule 9 (a) ), so suspect he was marked down as a stereotype raggie /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Also the suggestion that a moboer wouldn't know what a day shapes or lights mean, when most raggies never use motoring cones or display correct lights , ( or sometimes never even use nav lights at night /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif ) is a bit , well........./forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Why not many moboers responded in their defence?
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Nothing to defend as he wasn't restricted manoeuvrability, but constrained by draught, secondly it would be reasonable to expect him, as he was not displaying any day shape to the contrary, to keep to starboard ( rule 9 (a) ), so suspect he was marked down as a stereotype raggie /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Also the suggestion that a moboer wouldn't know what a day shapes or lights mean, when most raggies never use motoring cones or display correct lights , ( or sometimes never even use nav lights at night /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif ) is a bit , well........./forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
rwoofer
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Didn't want to start a Raggie vs Mobo debate, but some of the Ribs coming in must have been doing close to 30 knots while they passed 10 feet away /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
My real point was that the correct shapes aren't normally carried or understood by leisure craft, so I was seeking the forum's advice on what would be best understood. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a solution, so next time I'll just have to ignore people trying to ram me out of the way!!
My real point was that the correct shapes aren't normally carried or understood by leisure craft, so I was seeking the forum's advice on what would be best understood. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a solution, so next time I'll just have to ignore people trying to ram me out of the way!!
Auspicious
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Note to self: get a set of shapes. <sigh>
Hauling up a shape is clearly *A* right thing to do. I think a securite call on VHF channel 16 would be wise as well. A local schooner that takes tourists out does that coming past my marina; I think the only reason they make it at low water is from the channel they've cut with their own keel over time.
Hauling up a shape is clearly *A* right thing to do. I think a securite call on VHF channel 16 would be wise as well. A local schooner that takes tourists out does that coming past my marina; I think the only reason they make it at low water is from the channel they've cut with their own keel over time.
Mike21
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Didn't want to start a Raggie vs Mobo debate, but some of the Ribs coming in must have been doing close to 30 knots while they passed 10 feet away /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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Not quite what was originally posted
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My real point was that the correct shapes aren't normally carried or understood by leisure craft, so I was seeking the forum's advice on what would be best understood. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a solution, so next time I'll just have to ignore people trying to ram me out of the way!!
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Maybe something like this mounted on the bow might make an effective day shape though
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Didn't want to start a Raggie vs Mobo debate, but some of the Ribs coming in must have been doing close to 30 knots while they passed 10 feet away /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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Not quite what was originally posted
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My real point was that the correct shapes aren't normally carried or understood by leisure craft, so I was seeking the forum's advice on what would be best understood. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a solution, so next time I'll just have to ignore people trying to ram me out of the way!!
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Maybe something like this mounted on the bow might make an effective day shape though
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