Resale Values

[ian]

Hi,
I am taking the plunge and upgrading from dinghy sailing to do some coastal cruising off the east coast, in my search for an affordable start to cruising I have narrowed my search down to a handful of vessels a Folksong (longkeel), Hunter 701 (fin keel), Jaguar 22 (lifting keel) or an Achilles 24 (fin keel). I am assuming I might want to upgrade in the future what would hold its value best?
Thanks, Ian.


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[sailorman]

your ahead already. none are CARS!!!!!?
keel configuration may depend on your mooring / berth
the last 3 would give more lively responceive sailing

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[graham]

A lot depends on your local area. Places where drying moorings are substantially cheaper will make any small fin keeler difficult to sell.

All the boats you mentioned are well known popular boats.Which you should be able to sell on again.

The Folksong is very different to the others being much heavier and a long keel would appeal to a more traditional person looking for a seaworthy craft.Having said that the others allthough much lighter are all generally well regarded craft.

One thing is to avoid any poorly fitted out boats,years ago it was common to buy a hull and deck then fit out the interior yourself.Standards vary from works of art to unbelievably rough.

What I have noticed is that prices asked for small boats in magazine adverts are considerably more than actually get paid locally.Dont rush into a decision its definitely a buyers market in the sort of boats you are interested in.

Have you joined a club or sorted moorings out? the moorings available to you may dictate the type of boat most suitable.

Have a goodlook at the sails .A new rollergenoa and mainsail will cost about £1000 for a 22 footer.If the stainless rigging is old then add another £500 .Upholstery is also an expensive job so if its tatty make allowances.

All the boats you mention sail well so personally I would prefer to see the boat ashore rather than go for a test sail which you may enjoy so much it could influence you into a rash decision.

I have never sailed the East Coast but from what I have heard there is lots of shallow bits and mud so personally I would tend towards a lifting keel as usefull but you need to speak to locals.

Turn up at one of the clubs on a Sunday afternoon and have a chat.Almost all yachtspeople can talk at length on their favourite subject.....

PS The Anderson 22 is a tough little boat(very similar to the 701) with a lifting keel 4 berths and a head.Sails very well .If one comes up it would be worth a look.

Have a look at this www.anderson22class.co.uk

 

[charles_reed]

The Jaguar and Achilles, though perfectly competent boats, are unlikely (IMHO) to be "collectable" and will probably lose value faster than the other two.

The Folksong, with its old-fashioned virtues (and vices) is likely to appeal to a particular section of yottie opinion and, if you can find the aficianado, to have the least depreciation.

However, coming from a dinghy, the Hunter is probably going to be the most exciting of all to sail and will always be well-regarded in the market.

As it's all a matter of heart and nothing to do with accountants' lack of hwll, you'll end up with the boat with which you fall in love - so what the hell.

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[FullCircle]

All of the boats you mention are really not going to depreciate as such. They are all of an age where condition and equipment are the primary drivers for difference in cost. As an East Coaster myself, I would agree that Bilge or Lift Keels are the easiest to sell, but if you get one with a trailer for instance, it can be sold to anywhere (and used anywhere) easily.
I agree with the other listers comments as well. Andersons are good, being an ex Mini Transat design (like the Limbo, which I heartily recommend for performance).
There is also a Popcorn 23 you might consider, which also go well (one on boats and outboards at the mo for about 3,800 quid.)
At the end of the day, you can buy what you like at the bottom end of the market, and pretty much get back what you paid for it (with care of course). I did. Several times.
Good luck and happy sailing. Give me a wave in Burnham On Crouch if you see me!

Jim



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[Guest]

The Real answer is

The wife will decide which she likes most ....

(I would guess the Hunter !!)

As to resale - they will pitch out at similar for years to come as you pay now .... as long as you don't crunch or ding it too badly.

Finally asking price is an very debatable point and VERY strong bargaining is possible at this time of year etc. especially on older boats ....

My advise for E Coasting is lift keels or bilge ..... fin's will limit you on creek crawling and mud-bank hopping .... that is common on the EC.


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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I came - cos they said was FREE Guinness !
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[AndCur]

You will not find much better for your money than the Achilles. Great sea boats that are both well balanced,fast and well built. They generally hold there money very well and sell quickly. Take a look at the web site http://achilles24.users.btopenworld.com/index.htm



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[ian]

Thanks everybody, I am visiting a club on the East coast to interrogate the locals!!!!

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[LeonF]

Do not spend too much on upgrading the boat. The extra gear may make her easier to sell but will not make much of a difference to the price. Likewise installing a new engine. I sail in the Thames Estuary and changed from a bilge keeler to a 5'10 fin keeler. Much easier to get off the mud if you touch. Took advice from a couple who are in their seventies and seasoned sailors. They own a 5' draught Twister and have been everywhere including the Deben.

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