Replacing marine cooker with non marine?

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Looks ok, so not really a problem for seagoing, private use, if you can be bothered you have saved yourself £200+. You may be able to cannibalise the existing cooker fittings as well as the gimbal mounts

Many, but not all, marine cookers are stainless inside and out and they will probably be more acceptable if you come to sell the boat. I would look out for a used marine effort which sometimes come up for under 100 quid.
 
Probably corrosion. You would also need to add a stainless fiddle to prevent everything sliding off. And a locking mechanism for the oven door. I would also check if they work under an angle.
 
Two principle thoughts.
It doesn't appear to have flame failure devices fitted, so if the flame blows out, it doesn't automatically cut off the gas.
Second, is the carcass of the stove strong enough to support the weight of the stove when attached to a set of gimbals? The stove weighs 15kg, add in a couple of pans at say 2.5 kg each and you're looking to support 20kg on what may be fairly thin stove walls.
That said, if you can live with/find solutions for those problems, nothing to stop you using it on board.
 
had one on board for 3 years, though not gimballed, I mounted it amidships facing fore/aft. was able to adapt pot holders from an old origo. flame failure only on oven, so also installed a gas detector which shuts off gas as soon as it smells lpg, one sensor immediately behind stove the other directly underneath also gas fuse on the bottle. only probs has it been shutting down when the sniffers smelt other fumes, time will tell I guess.
 
It is designed for camping, not for a boat so is missing many of the features that make a gas cooker usable on a boat. Think you will find it will not physically fit in the cooker space on your boat (too wide), has no fiddle rails or pan clamps and gimballs would be difficult to arrange, and suspect it is not robust enough to take its own weight plus pans of heavy hot water etc. So you will have to bolt it down.

Only you can decide if you can accept these compromises
 
What you pay the extra £300 for:
Stainless, or better quality stainless.
More rugged construction
Gimbals
Pot/pan holders above the hob.
Stronger catch on oven door, possibly a full latch to stop it flopping open.
Possibly better exhaust management from the oven.
 
Dougal Tolan said:
What you pay the extra £300 for:
Stainless, or better quality stainless.
More rugged construction
Gimbals
Pot/pan holders above the hob.
Stronger catch on oven door, possibly a full latch to stop it flopping open.
Possibly better exhaust management from the oven.
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And flame-failure devices, which is the part that would probably concern me most.

Possibly irrational since the boat cookers of forty years ago didn't have them either, but there it is.

Pete
 
prv said:
And flame-failure devices, which is the part that would probably concern me most.

Possibly irrational since the boat cookers of forty years ago didn't have them either, but there it is.

Pete
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My Calor cooker (from 44 years ago) is still going strong. Not stainless--- enamel. No flame failure devices.
Has had hard live aboard use for the last 14 years.

Only guessing, but it might be possible to source a suitable cooker from a caravan dealer cheaper than buying generally overpriced marine gubbins. Maybe even a marine type without the price enhancing word!
 
prv said:
And flame-failure devices, which is the part that would probably concern me most.

Possibly irrational since the boat cookers of forty years ago didn't have them either, but there it is.

Pete
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LPG gas is much more dangerous on a boat, than it is on land, because spilled gas can't dissipate downwards.

So any gas cooker needs to be as good quality as possible, be well installed, and have flame failure devices. This is not the place to save a couple hundred quid.

People are killed every year in the UK in gas explosions on boats.

My next boat won't have any gas at all -- I will go to electric cooking. Gas is just too much trouble to keep reasonably safe, in my opinion.
 
The current cooker is a marine one, its enamelled, not stainless and has no flame failure devices.

That said, flame failure cutoffs seem like a very sensible thing to have , had n't thought of the weight/load bearing. Good points. They seem cheap enough used, with everyone wanting 3 or more rings, that's prob the route we will take eventually, no rush.
But none of the above advantages really seem to justify the tripled price tag of a new one.
 
steve yates said:
The current cooker is a marine one, its enamelled, not stainless and has no flame failure devices.

That said, flame failure cutoffs seem like a very sensible thing to have , had n't thought of the weight/load bearing. Good points. They seem cheap enough used, with everyone wanting 3 or more rings, that's prob the route we will take eventually, no rush.
But none of the above advantages really seem to justify the tripled price tag of a new one.
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You have an old Flavel probably - which was a caravan cooker originally and what was available at the time. As usual, the world has moved on a bit and you will see the difference between a proper marine cooker and that cheapo camping thing when you see them side by side.
 
steve yates said:
The current cooker is a marine one, its enamelled, not stainless and has no flame failure devices.

That said, flame failure cutoffs seem like a very sensible thing to have , had n't thought of the weight/load bearing. Good points. They seem cheap enough used, with everyone wanting 3 or more rings, that's prob the route we will take eventually, no rush.
But none of the above advantages really seem to justify the tripled price tag of a new one.
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Sounds like a good plan.

Marine stuff is often expensive compared to analogues for land, because it is produced in very low volumes compared to stuff for land, so it is just much less efficient to design, produce, and distribute. Unfortunately some of the features of specifically marine stuff are actually important if not essential for us, so sometime we just have to pay for it.
 
steve yates said:
The current cooker is a marine one, its enamelled, not stainless and has no flame failure devices.

That said, flame failure cutoffs seem like a very sensible thing to have , had n't thought of the weight/load bearing. Good points. They seem cheap enough used, with everyone wanting 3 or more rings, that's prob the route we will take eventually, no rush.
But none of the above advantages really seem to justify the tripled price tag of a new one.
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On my previous boat I had an enamelled cast Iron/steel cooker (2 rings oven and grill) designed for domestic use. A flame failure device was added quite easy and I got built a frame that gimbaled the cooker and added fiddle rails around the top.

This is the hob on my current boat also made from a domestic counter top hob. The only thing I cannot use is the spark lighting as it is mains driven.

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The spring pin allows the hob to be locked in a selected angle position or when in dock.
 
banger said:
Isn't there a company in, or near Nottingham that made them for Plastimo, I seem to remember something about it on a post a long time ago.
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Leisure Products, Bolton.

They have a useful website. Sadly, hob burners for my 1984 Atlantic cooker are no longer available.

I am currently restoring a Neptune 2000 which I salvaged from the marina skip. One burner cap is missing .... and would you believe it's an early one and THAT is no longer available! (Hamilton have the later more common one readily available).
 
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