Removing a shackle - how?

[peter2407]

Should really have taken a picture, sorry, but my main halyards shackle goes through a spliced eye. I think it is called a captive halyard shackle. The captive pin rotates within the holes. I have tried pressing either end of the captive pin, but no joy. Initially i wanted to remove the shackle so i could wash the halyard, but stuck it in various socks as i didnt want to cut the eye splice. I now want to put the halyard back "the other way round" (as although the clean has freshened up the halyard, the in mast element looks substantially newer than the external part. I dont want to lose the splice eyes. Any recommendations on how i can have my cake etc?

 

[PhillM]

Hacksaw ? But you woukd lose having a captive shackle next time you end-for-end.

 

[sailorman]

Should really have taken a picture, sorry, but my main halyards shackle goes through a spliced eye. I think it is called a captive halyard shackle. The captive pin rotates within the holes. I have tried pressing either end of the captive pin, but no joy. Initially i wanted to remove the shackle so i could wash the halyard, but stuck it in various socks as i didnt want to cut the eye splice. I now want to put the halyard back "the other way round" (as although the clean has freshened up the halyard, the in mast element looks substantially newer than the external part. I dont want to lose the splice eyes. Any recommendations on how i can have my cake etc?

none of my halliards have eye splices, i ue the selden halliard knot, check theit site for details. easy to end for end the lines

 

[knuterikt]

There should be two small holes (one each end of the pin)
Use a Pin punch and a hammer, the pin is normally made of two parts the outer tube revolvs around pin.

 

[Stork_III]

There should be two small holes (one each end of the pin)
Use a Pin punch and a hammer, the pin is normally made of two parts the outer tube revolvs around pin.

+1, it is a roll pin.

 

[knuterikt]

+1, it is a roll pin.

Thanks didn't know the correct English name roll pin, aka spring pin (rørsplint in Norwegian

 

[peter2407]

Thanks

Thanks didn't know the correct English name roll pin, aka spring pin (rørsplint in Norwegian

Does this essentially work like the pin on a watch strap then? Albeit i need to be more forceful ..is it reusable after?

 

[Stork_III]

Does this essentially work like the pin on a watch strap then? Albeit i need to be more forceful ..is it reusable after?

No. Drive it out from one side. Should be reusable.

 

[knuterikt]

Does this essentially work like the pin on a watch strap then? Albeit i need to be more forceful ..is it reusable after?

Not exactly as a watch strap.
It's reusable you tap it out from one side using a pin punch and a hammer.
Reassemble by tapping it back in. Use piece of 2x4 plank to support the shackle.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_pin
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch_(tool)

 

[davidej]

But why would you want a spliced eye at the other end from the shackle

AFAIK a damn nuisance - cut it off

 

[peter2407]

But why would you want a spliced eye at the other end from the shackle

AFAIK a damn nuisance - cut it off

Unless i have misunderstood and/or misremembered, i have a spliced eye at both ends. Why? I am told for this specific reason - it makes it easier to reeve/re-reeve the halyard. Apologies if i have misunderstood.

 

[davidej]

Well I don't know why you would want one at each end -no yacht I have ever been on has had one at the free end.

It just seems to be a recipe for catching on things it shouldn't.

no need to apologise - there may be some special reason in your case

 

[knuterikt]

Unless i have misunderstood and/or misremembered, i have a spliced eye at both ends. Why? I am told for this specific reason - it makes it easier to reeve/re-reeve the halyard. Apologies if i have misunderstood.

WARNING...
If you have two eyes one is probably a load bearing splice (the one with the shackle) the other is probably not load bearing - it's called a reeving eye.
The load bearing eye does not go through your sheaves - the reeving eye will.

Splicing instructions for reeving eye here: http://www.neropes.com/Splicing Guide Individual Splices/Reeving_Eye_Splice.pdf

This is a reeving eye with a reeving needle - I use this needle to pull the ropes through clutches. The reeving eye is a safe and easy attachment for mousing line also.

 

[Daydream believer]

But why would you want a spliced eye at the other end from the shackle
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Inflicts more pain on the crew if you do not have cat o nine tails

 

[Hadenough]

none of my halliards have eye splices, i ue the selden halliard knot, check theit site for details. easy to end for end the lines

Gosh that's clever! But as usual doesn't answer the question. :encouragement:

 

[Tranona]

Gosh that's clever! But as usual doesn't answer the question. :encouragement:

But it does (in his usual economic way without a full explanation). He is offering an alternative and arguably better solution. Do away with the splice and shackle and use the Selden halyard knot. Then no problem end for ending - particularly if you take the halyard back to the cockpit as the splice will not go through the clutch and probably the organiser.

 

[alan_d]

But it does (in his usual economic way without a full explanation). He is offering an alternative and arguably better solution. Do away with the splice and shackle and use the Selden halyard knot.

Better, I suggest, to cut off the spliced eye but reuse the shackle and tie the halyard knot to it. You would not need a captive shackle as an advantage of the halyard knot over a spliced eye is that the shackle is held securely. It is worth having a captive pin, though.

 

[Tranona]

Better, I suggest, to cut off the spliced eye but reuse the shackle and tie the halyard knot to it. You would not need a captive shackle as an advantage of the halyard knot over a spliced eye is that the shackle is held securely. It is worth having a captive pin, though.

Not sure why you would want a shackle as well. Does not add anything and makes the whole thing longer which could be an issue with a full hoist sail.

 

[sailorman]

Gosh that's clever! But as usual doesn't answer the question. :encouragement:

The op if you didnt realise has a splice that he has a problem with. a multi tool will enable removal of it, then whip the ends & use the selden halliard knot & all is well

 

[garvellachs]

Not sure why you would want a shackle as well. Does not add anything and makes the whole thing longer which could be an issue with a full hoist sail.

How do you manage without a shackle? How do you remove the halyard when you drop the main or change the foresail? I use a halyard knot onto the shackle; the hoist line on the mast leaves enough room for that.

The only way to remove a halyard knot after using it for a while is to cut it off I find.

Also, a splice may struggle to go over the sheave at the masthead if the halyard is generously-sized?