oldgit
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" a fabulous road infrastructure "
and fabulous social security contributions ........
and fabulous social security contributions ........
red diesel reply from meps
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Andrew_Fanner
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I'll bet that once the cost of these drops to just above your average family car then you'll see a lot more of these on the road...
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Unfortunately hybrids are "fashionable" and are bought by celebrities for image purposes. No celebrity wants something Joe Average can buy and manufacturers like the publicity brought by celebrities so the price won't drop...
As for my carbon footprint: I don't drive and thus use one of First's appallingly badly maintained buses. The initial bus has about 10 passengers on a full size bus, the second one in the morning is often just myself and the driver in a "breadvan". The negines are running for an aggregate (each way) of approximately 60 minutes at speeds between tickover and bus on a motorway. I strongly suspect that SWMBO's '98 Peugeot 407 diseasel estate, which does the journey inb 25 minutes, uses a lot less fuel. I last flew commercially in 2003. On a carbon credits to trade basis I reckon I'd be in a position to sell, but of course it wouldn't work like that, I would merely be in reduced debt:-(
Green taxes need to be revenue neutral if they are sincere, because they ought to reduce in take, and smartly so. Unfortunately HMG's addiction to tax revenue is incompatible and ergo green tax is a con. I don't beleive in ad hominem arguments, normally the preserve of the bigoted, but in this case I may be prepared to suspect the intelligence of anyone who doesn't see this.
I'll bet that once the cost of these drops to just above your average family car then you'll see a lot more of these on the road...
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Unfortunately hybrids are "fashionable" and are bought by celebrities for image purposes. No celebrity wants something Joe Average can buy and manufacturers like the publicity brought by celebrities so the price won't drop...
As for my carbon footprint: I don't drive and thus use one of First's appallingly badly maintained buses. The initial bus has about 10 passengers on a full size bus, the second one in the morning is often just myself and the driver in a "breadvan". The negines are running for an aggregate (each way) of approximately 60 minutes at speeds between tickover and bus on a motorway. I strongly suspect that SWMBO's '98 Peugeot 407 diseasel estate, which does the journey inb 25 minutes, uses a lot less fuel. I last flew commercially in 2003. On a carbon credits to trade basis I reckon I'd be in a position to sell, but of course it wouldn't work like that, I would merely be in reduced debt:-(
Green taxes need to be revenue neutral if they are sincere, because they ought to reduce in take, and smartly so. Unfortunately HMG's addiction to tax revenue is incompatible and ergo green tax is a con. I don't beleive in ad hominem arguments, normally the preserve of the bigoted, but in this case I may be prepared to suspect the intelligence of anyone who doesn't see this.
Gludy
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Well we have some nice Green Tazes just announced that raise extra revenue - so no chance of it being other than an excuse to add another £2bn to the tax yield from Mr. brown.
Airport tax is double from £5 to £10 per passenger - but at those levels I do not think the demand curve is elastic - in other words it will not discourage flying because demand will not drop, it will simply raise extra money.
I was not hopeful at all about the integrity of government but this mornings pre-budget report just confirms to me how little integrity there really is left.
Airport tax is double from £5 to £10 per passenger - but at those levels I do not think the demand curve is elastic - in other words it will not discourage flying because demand will not drop, it will simply raise extra money.
I was not hopeful at all about the integrity of government but this mornings pre-budget report just confirms to me how little integrity there really is left.
rickp
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Yup, 1.25p/litre on red diesel again. £1bn extra air passenger duty but no mention of any carbon offsetting going on - so presumably that'll just go in the same pot as all other taxes...
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Gludy
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The only green thing about Gordon browns policies is the green for envy he feels for leaving anyone with anything of their own money.
Just jumping on a bandwagon to raise more tax because he thinks he can spend it wiser than the people who earned it!!
I have just heard that the estra tax on long haul flights is £40 to £80 per person - that will have an effect, so at least there is some logic to it.
Just jumping on a bandwagon to raise more tax because he thinks he can spend it wiser than the people who earned it!!
I have just heard that the estra tax on long haul flights is £40 to £80 per person - that will have an effect, so at least there is some logic to it.
gjgm
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back on red diesel , no one is suggesting derogation has anything to do with the environment. I dont think one needs a calculator to realise that all the powerboats in the UK must make absolutely no impact in relation to the huge increase over the last 20 years in household energy demands.
Surely the reason people are objecting to an end is that the overall cost of diesel would rise for mobos. If it were to fall, would people still argue the same case? It seems very simple to me. The EU wants a common base level. The fact that in the UK we have some tossers in power who are keen on hidden taxes isnt the same argument. Thats not a problem of EU making. Its the UK tax that is the problem, not the EU.
Surely the reason people are objecting to an end is that the overall cost of diesel would rise for mobos. If it were to fall, would people still argue the same case? It seems very simple to me. The EU wants a common base level. The fact that in the UK we have some tossers in power who are keen on hidden taxes isnt the same argument. Thats not a problem of EU making. Its the UK tax that is the problem, not the EU.
Gludy
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You know I really never voted to support a system whereby the EU tells us what to do. I am all for free trade and a free trade area but this problem is caused by the EU and successive UK governments intent on handing more and more power over to the EU. So in that sense both are to blame.
Mind you I have to agree that if the UK had the same road fuel taxes as the rest of Europe then charging MobOs that rate would at least have some equity to it.
I can never see any sense in differentiating between commercial use and pleasure use for fuel - there really is no difference but that is not being questioned.
Mind you I have to agree that if the UK had the same road fuel taxes as the rest of Europe then charging MobOs that rate would at least have some equity to it.
I can never see any sense in differentiating between commercial use and pleasure use for fuel - there really is no difference but that is not being questioned.
duncan
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I have just heard that the estra tax on long haul flights is £40 to £80 per person - that will have an effect
[/ QUOTE ] yep it will double the cost of my trip in Feb next year..........bugger
I have just heard that the estra tax on long haul flights is £40 to £80 per person - that will have an effect
[/ QUOTE ] yep it will double the cost of my trip in Feb next year..........bugger
Gludy
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If that is true - then it will have a serious effect on long haul cheap flights. However do not worry it will all be spent on nursery books!!
Andrew_Fanner
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And todays news mucks up the sums for my intended trip to Bruges next summer. Withdrawal from the EU looks like a good plan, along with ditching Brown.