Red diesel consultation

[CLB]

White diesel at marinas will be far more expensive than at your local garage as they are not buying in volume it will be at least 15-30p per litre more expensive so the difference may be significant 60/40 may help a little non of this should be relevant till April 2022

I wish this argument would stop being trotted out. I buy fuel regularly in small quantities and can tell you there is no difference in buying 500 litres or 5000 litres. In fact above a certain amount, it gets more expensive as VAT is charged at the full 20%. I tend to buy 1000 litres at a time and after adding the right tax at 60:40 we are always much cheaper than anywhere else. Even at 100% duty paid, it would still be cheaper than roadside garages. Sorry, but anything more than roadside price, which still includes a profit element for the seller, is a rip off.

 

[oldgit]

Our club is charging 83p a litre
60/40.
Recently MDL tried to charge me £1.34. 60/40.

 

[Simi]

CLB I think you are living in a dream world if you think marina’s are going to sell white diesel at forecourt prices large loads of diesel are bought in 36000 litre loads 5000 is a small amount vat is charged at 20% on small or large loads of white

 

[Simi]

1.34 is a complete rip off for red diesel 83p is a sensible price

 

[CLB]

CLB I think you are living in a dream world if you think marina’s are going to sell white diesel at forecourt prices large loads of diesel are bought in 36000 litre loads 5000 is a small amount vat is charged at 20% on small or large loads of white

I didn't say they would sell it at forecourt prices, only that if they charged more it would be a rip off. That is not something you can argue with. I have tested my price limits, by putting in a quote for 35,000 litres. Guess what? It was dearer per litre than the quote for 5,000 litres. Same company, same day, same fuel. The quantity argument is BS.

 

[Assassin]

Greater pollution will occur because people will buy their diesel from the supermarket and in process of refuelling spill a lot more of it in the water that they would using the marina fuelling point. Also people will refuel at their berth resulting in more widespread pollution.

Thanks for the clarification Martyn.

 

[Piers]

Just to indicate FAME free diesel price in Guernsey, a friend needed some 15,000 ltrs. The spot price for this last week was 42.99/ltr.

 

[Rappey]

I filled yesterday from premier in portsmouth.
Their red with a supposed 60/40 split was 4p per litre more than asda forecourt white!
85p for berth holders.

 

[Lucky Duck]

When I filled up in late March MDL were some 20p a litre more than Premier Swanick's visitor rates!

Noting just how big the difference between casual and berth holders' rates are at the Premier and MDL, in future I will make more of an effort to use the 'independent' fuel suppliers.

 

[russ]

89ppl at Hythe with MDL discount and 60/40.

 

[Ross G]

Handy for diesel car owners!

My thought exactly 60 40 for white diesel for the car it is then ?

 

[rafiki_]

How so Martyn? white diesel and red diesel are exactly the same apart from one being stained and the other having tax applied to it, so no actual diffference.

Much the same way as BOC oxygen, hospitals use medical oxygen and fabricators also use the same looking bottles of oxygen and people assume it is different when in fact the oxygen produced is all medical oxygen and they put it into the same bottles, bottles for hospitals have a slightly different internal lining than those used by fabricators, economies of scale.

Currently diesel for inland use is low sulphur and has some 5-7% FAME. Coastal diesel is higher sulphur and generally FAME free. So it is not just white diesel with dye.

 

[Assassin]

Currently diesel for inland use is low sulphur and has some 5-7% FAME. Coastal diesel is higher sulphur and generally FAME free. So it is not just white diesel with dye.

Its all low sulphur now and has been for some time.

 

[Momac]

I have for some years not been convinced that FAME free diesel exists since government rules require bio fuel to be added . Is there any evidence of it such as a supplier advertising FAME free fuel for sale ?

 

[russ]

From MDL web page.

MDL fuel stations offer high quality fuel which meets the new British standard and is FAME-free thus removing any headaches about long-term storage and low-sulphur.

 

[gordmac]

Is red going to disappear for commercial use? A lot of places supply mainly commercial, will make fuel unobtainable if we aren't allowed to use it.

 

[SimonD]

Is red going to disappear for commercial use? A lot of places supply mainly commercial, will make fuel unobtainable if we aren't allowed to use it.

Yes, but with all due respect, you're a bit late the say so. The consultation closed some time ago. Others made this point in responding to the consultation, but not in sufficient numbers to sway the argument.

 

[gordmac]

The reason non taxed fuel is dyed is to stop people using it in road vehicles. Now they are doing away with the dye. That cannot be the case surely?