Red diesel consultation

As has been said before, fuel is not usually the biggest cost we have and so if the 60/40 status remains i won't be worrying to much. What concerns me more is whether the white diesel will be FAME free .
 
Ye Gods! The Government has tied itself in knots over this and then decided it's all too difficult so let's stick with what we have and call it something else. They're asking if we should keep the 60/40 split or use a much more complicated declaration system up to a maximum of 40% (I think). It might be helpful if as many peeps as possible respond to this specific question.

For completeness, here's a link to the Government's response to the initial consultation: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ate_pleasure_craft_-_Summary_of_Responses.pdf It makes for interesting reading.
 
SimonD said:
Ye Gods! The Government has tied itself in knots over this and then decided it's all too difficult so let's stick with what we have and call it something else. They're asking if we should keep the 60/40 split or use a much more complicated declaration system up to a maximum of 40% (I think). It might be helpful if as many peeps as possible respond to this specific question.

For completeness, here's a link to the Government's response to the initial consultation: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ate_pleasure_craft_-_Summary_of_Responses.pdf It makes for interesting reading.
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Yes, it is in places embarrassingly telling, but this gives me hope

"The consultation paper published today also includes a proposed relief schemefor fuel used for non-propulsion of craftwhich would allow fuel suppliers to refund PPC users at the point of sale the duty difference between white diesel and red diesel on the amount of white diesel a PPC user with one fuel tank estimates they would use for non-propulsion. The government welcomes views on these proposals"
 
That’s what I thought, at least hopeful! Will reply to the consultation and support the 60/40 split as that is probably the best we can hope for
 
The economic and environmental impact of a change to white diesel may be significant .
People may refuel their petrol boats using cans filled at supermarket prices and I suspect this will become common with owners of diesel engined boats .

Perhaps a means of recovering diesel from marina water may be worth considering.
 
MartynG said:
The economic and environmental impact of a change to white diesel may be significant .
People may refuel their petrol boats using cans filled at supermarket prices and I suspect this will become common with owners of diesel engined boats .

Perhaps a means of recovering diesel from marina water may be worth considering.
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How so Martyn? white diesel and red diesel are exactly the same apart from one being stained and the other having tax applied to it, so no actual diffference.

Much the same way as BOC oxygen, hospitals use medical oxygen and fabricators also use the same looking bottles of oxygen and people assume it is different when in fact the oxygen produced is all medical oxygen and they put it into the same bottles, bottles for hospitals have a slightly different internal lining than those used by fabricators, economies of scale.
 
andy59 said:
As has been said before, fuel is not usually the biggest cost we have and so if the 60/40 status remains i won't be worrying to much. What concerns me more is whether the white diesel will be FAME free .
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Guernsey's diesel is FAME free and I'm advised it will stay that way. From Rubis in St Sampson, it's also the least expensive duty free diesel in the Channel islands, UK and, I believe, anywhere in Europe.
 
In my current job I have a special card which removes all taxes when I fill up my car at a service station. So 50L of RON98 costs me c 30Euros. I am so going to miss this card when I leave this role.

So rather than the mandraulic way that the 60/40 is calculated there is a technical solution and it is already in use here in Europe.
 
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Assassin said:
How so Martyn? white diesel and red diesel are exactly the same apart from one being stained and the other having tax applied to it, so no actual diffference.
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Greater pollution will occur because people will buy their diesel from the supermarket and in process of refuelling spill a lot more of it in the water that they would using the marina fuelling point. Also people will refuel at their berth resulting in more widespread pollution.
 
The. 60/40 split is widely being abused on the inland waterways.Boat owners simply state that all the fuel is for heating and marinas charge accordingly.Shame we all cannot do this?
 
White diesel at marinas will be far more expensive than at your local garage as they are not buying in volume it will be at least 15-30p per litre more expensive so the difference may be significant 60/40 may help a little non of this should be relevant till April 2022
 
oldgit said:
The. 60/40 split is widely being abused on the inland waterways.Boat owners simply state that all the fuel is for heating and marinas charge accordingly.Shame we all cannot do this?
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Some marinas will only sell at the 60 / 40 split while others are more flexible.
I agree the system is abused . The greatest impact will be on those who live aboard and are on low incomes and genuinely use most diesel for domestic use.
 
MartynG said:
The UK isn't physically leaving the geographical area known as Europe but the UK has already left the EU.
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Ha! Shows what you know. We Welsh Med boaters are starting a petition to reactivate the tectonic fault that runs through the Menai. Next stop the Bahamas. You boys East of the fault can have Iceland. Enjoy :p
 
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