KINGFISHER 9
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What's a chav and do I need one for the boat? ... Type of anchor maybe? ... Bet its not as good as a CQR. ... discuss.
Recommendations for Oilies please
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CaptainBob
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My experience of Gore-Tex is not good. As others have said, I think it's where your garment bends that it stresses the membrane; bound to really. I've had multiple jackets, two bivi-bags, socks and boots. All leaked after not too long a time.
Also, because Gore-Tex has to be sandwiched, the outer layer needs to be waterproof in order for the Gore-Tex to have chance of working as designed when it's wet weather. As soon as the outer layer loses its beading ability, it becomes waterlogged, and it stops breathing, and moisture builds up inside.
I guess the real benefit of GT is that when the rain stops you can leave it on, whereas with GC perhaps you do need to do a bit of layer management from time to time to optimise your comfort level.
But the GT suit costs minimum 4 times the cost of GC, and lasts maximum 1/5 the life. That's 20 x the price, just so you don't have to take your coat off when the rain stops.
GC for me!!!
Also, because Gore-Tex has to be sandwiched, the outer layer needs to be waterproof in order for the Gore-Tex to have chance of working as designed when it's wet weather. As soon as the outer layer loses its beading ability, it becomes waterlogged, and it stops breathing, and moisture builds up inside.
I guess the real benefit of GT is that when the rain stops you can leave it on, whereas with GC perhaps you do need to do a bit of layer management from time to time to optimise your comfort level.
But the GT suit costs minimum 4 times the cost of GC, and lasts maximum 1/5 the life. That's 20 x the price, just so you don't have to take your coat off when the rain stops.
GC for me!!!
Ubergeekian
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Me too.
If our situations and therefore our needs differ then its no surprise - and no problem to me - if our solutions differ
BrendanS
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My experience of Gore-Tex is not good. As others have said, I think it's where your garment bends that it stresses the membrane; bound to really. I've had multiple jackets, two bivi-bags, socks and boots. All leaked after not too long a time.
Also, because Gore-Tex has to be sandwiched, the outer layer needs to be waterproof in order for the Gore-Tex to have chance of working as designed when it's wet weather. As soon as the outer layer loses its beading ability, it becomes waterlogged, and it stops breathing, and moisture builds up inside.
I guess the real benefit of GT is that when the rain stops you can leave it on, whereas with GC perhaps you do need to do a bit of layer management from time to time to optimise your comfort level.
But the GT suit costs minimum 4 times the cost of GC, and lasts maximum 1/5 the life. That's 20 x the price, just so you don't have to take your coat off when the rain stops.
GC for me!!!
I'd love to know why my goretex gear keeps on going year after year, despite being used almost daily, and being highly abused.
Outer layer does not need to be waterproof, or you'd defeat the purpose of having the goretex layer!!!! It shouldn't become waterlogged however, which is a different thing, as waterlogged outer layer stops the breathing. Simply washing it, and ironing it, or tumble drying it, will work for most gortex outers, and restore the beading effect. You do need to read the care instructions for each garment, as they can vary though.
One gortex hill walking jacket which must be over 15 years old now is carried with me daily, stuffed into day sack into office, in boot of car, has been to over 20 countries, knelt on, sat on, used on hills and mountains, on powerboats, on sailing boats, etc etc, is still going strong, with no signs of leaking. Generally given a pretty hard life! Just needs a wash and a tumble dry once in a while to restore it to its original working condition
sailorman
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my HPxX jacket "do NOT Tumble Dry" but drip dry
my HPX trousers "Tumble Dry"
both same age products
BrendanS
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depends if they have other 'bits' added to them which might melt with heat. Iron the non melting bits with a medium hot or cooler iron, and it will still restore the beading effect, even if you can't tumble dry it.
CaptainBob
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Yeah that's weird that we've had such different experiences. The amount of water that came through mine - particularly the bivi bags (on a particularly memorable night) - could not be explained by moisture buildup due to waterlogging of the outer surface; they leaked.
deaconrw
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larger ladies!
bit of a hi jack - but can anyone recommend gortex waterproofs for a size 16 - 18 female? We have looked but the ladies stuff only seems to fit waifs and the mens stuff works out too long in the limbs in the larger sizes!
bit of a hi jack - but can anyone recommend gortex waterproofs for a size 16 - 18 female? We have looked but the ladies stuff only seems to fit waifs and the mens stuff works out too long in the limbs in the larger sizes!
doug748
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Where/when do all you people sail? I've got some very grotty non-matching oilies on the boat and I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've needed to wear them in the last 5 years. I don't do oceans admittedly, just the usual weekends and holidays. It always amazes me the number of crews one sees on a summer day wearing oilies with the sun beating down on them. 95% of the time you need nothing more than a fleece or windproof top. I couldn't now countenance spending several hundred pounds on oilies that I would hardly ever wear.
Am I really getting this old and grumpy
Almost exactly my thoughts on the subject.
Mind you I might give the merino wool vest a try. Available at Aldi - sounds just up my street.
BrendanS
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I've been using a park and ride bus nearly every working day for 2 months, and haven't taken a waterproof with me to queue morning or evening yet, and have only worn my suit. What odds do you give me on that extending right through the winter, and not requiring any form of warm waterproof while waiting 50 minutes for a bus that is supposed to run every 20 minutes. OK, you don't need a breathable for that. I'm making the point that it is possible to get very lucky, and not need/require a decent waterproof. I can bet you I'll use one everyday for next 2 months to make up for my run of luck so far.
