raquet
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Boats on hardstanding by the marina. Very sad looking - anyone know who owns Ashanti Princess?
Recent Storm Damage - Cherbourg
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bluewaterP72
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hurts to see these pics
philip_stevens
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No record of her here - ITU
Norman_E
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Sorry for the owners, but remind me not to buy the same antifouling as used on Ashanti Princess.
VicS
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I'm not sure quite what you do expect to find on the ITU database I could not find any British vessel called "Ouzo" after that incident and I can't find a British vessel called "Napoli" despite the fact that it is sitting on Branscombe Beach. My own boat is not there either. Half a dozen "Oysters" though!
No record of her here - ITU
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I'm not sure quite what you do expect to find on the ITU database I could not find any British vessel called "Ouzo" after that incident and I can't find a British vessel called "Napoli" despite the fact that it is sitting on Branscombe Beach. My own boat is not there either. Half a dozen "Oysters" though!
philip_stevens
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I don't think it is the most up-to-date of sites, as it took two years before my Oyster (ZN)appeared on it.
Then again, it is up to the country of registration to supply the details to the ITU - 'nuff said.
Then again, it is up to the country of registration to supply the details to the ITU - 'nuff said.
Danny Jo
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No record of her here - ITU
I'm not sure quite what you do expect to find on the ITU database I could not find any British vessel called "Ouzo" after that incident and I can't find a British vessel called "Napoli" despite the fact that it is sitting on Branscombe Beach. My own boat is not there either. Half a dozen "Oysters" though!
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I'm not sure quite what you do expect to find on the ITU database I could not find any British vessel called "Ouzo" after that incident and I can't find a British vessel called "Napoli" despite the fact that it is sitting on Branscombe Beach. My own boat is not there either. Half a dozen "Oysters" though!
I don't think it is the most up-to-date of sites, as it took two years before my Oyster (ZN)appeared on it.
Then again, it is up to the country of registration to supply the details to the ITU - 'nuff said.
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I guess the ITU database info from the UK comes from Offcom. All the info I gave Offcom a year ago is on there in among the thirteen vessels name Freestyle.
Handy to have the MMSI numbers and callsigns listed, but a bit creepy having all one's radio kit listed for the benefit of boat jumble restockists.
Anyone know what a Selcal no. is?
Mark
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No record of her here - ITU
I'm not sure quite what you do expect to find on the ITU database I could not find any British vessel called "Ouzo" after that incident and I can't find a British vessel called "Napoli" despite the fact that it is sitting on Branscombe Beach. My own boat is not there either. Half a dozen "Oysters" though!
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I'm not sure quite what you do expect to find on the ITU database I could not find any British vessel called "Ouzo" after that incident and I can't find a British vessel called "Napoli" despite the fact that it is sitting on Branscombe Beach. My own boat is not there either. Half a dozen "Oysters" though!
I don't think it is the most up-to-date of sites, as it took two years before my Oyster (ZN)appeared on it.
Then again, it is up to the country of registration to supply the details to the ITU - 'nuff said.
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I guess the ITU database info from the UK comes from Offcom. All the info I gave Offcom a year ago is on there in among the thirteen vessels name Freestyle.
Handy to have the MMSI numbers and callsigns listed, but a bit creepy having all one's radio kit listed for the benefit of boat jumble restockists.
Anyone know what a Selcal no. is?
Mark
Danny Jo
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A sorry sight, and my sympathy to the owner.
I cannot understand, though, how the proud (or judging by les moules, not so proud) owners of PWBs expect a thin plastic hull to be safely supported by four little pads and some angle iron welded together. I guess we'll all have to pay for this through our insurance premiums.
Mark
I cannot understand, though, how the proud (or judging by les moules, not so proud) owners of PWBs expect a thin plastic hull to be safely supported by four little pads and some angle iron welded together. I guess we'll all have to pay for this through our insurance premiums.
Mark
VicS
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Anyone know what a Selcal no. is
[/ QUOTE ] Its stands for "Selective Calling" its the syetem that was used by the old coast radio stations to call specific vessels. Now replaced by DSC
Anyone know what a Selcal no. is
[/ QUOTE ] Its stands for "Selective Calling" its the syetem that was used by the old coast radio stations to call specific vessels. Now replaced by DSC
Krusty
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hurts to see these pics
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Yes, it does: But not just in sympathy, which is somewhat limited.
These boats are not 'cared for' over the winter: more like 'abandoned' in inadequate cradles, with all the windage of mast and rigging left in place and even the boom and mainsail still on!
When will insurers get tough with owners who leave their boats like this, with those of us who do care for our boats having to help fund the repairs through our premiums?
I hope it is very soon, given the warnings of increased frequency of wild winter storms as our climate changes.
hurts to see these pics
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Yes, it does: But not just in sympathy, which is somewhat limited.
These boats are not 'cared for' over the winter: more like 'abandoned' in inadequate cradles, with all the windage of mast and rigging left in place and even the boom and mainsail still on!
When will insurers get tough with owners who leave their boats like this, with those of us who do care for our boats having to help fund the repairs through our premiums?
I hope it is very soon, given the warnings of increased frequency of wild winter storms as our climate changes.
raquet
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I think that may be rather a harsh judgement. First of all the boats (both of them) were not long out of the water. Admittedly the state of one bottom didn’t indicate continuous love and affection but we don’t know the circumstances – and what’s that about those without sin and first stones. Asking for a lift shows some interest and with the paucity of ferries who knows when the owner might arrive to make ready for the lay-up. Secondly the cradles were the standard marina models made by a reputable company (Mecanorem). My own boat sat on just such a cradle, possibly even one of these two, about twenty feet from this scene until a few weeks ago. I trusted the yard to use an adequate cradle (which I rented from them). It is heartbreaking to see but we all put our faith in the professionals – don’t we. Thirdly we don’t know which boat fell on the other. I stood there and tried to work it out. They both fell to the north (roughly). My memory is that the wind was north-west – although I as about twenty miles away. I certainly can’t tell which boat went first. So whose fault is it?
I put my boat back on the water just a few weeks ago. I checked every few days. I saw these two when I inspected mine. Thankfully my own misjudgement in inadequate fendering just cost me some damage to the months of paintwork – and thanks to the person who moved a fender into the gap. It was f10 – perhaps f11. Judge not lest etc.
I put my boat back on the water just a few weeks ago. I checked every few days. I saw these two when I inspected mine. Thankfully my own misjudgement in inadequate fendering just cost me some damage to the months of paintwork – and thanks to the person who moved a fender into the gap. It was f10 – perhaps f11. Judge not lest etc.
Krusty
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I think that may be rather a harsh judgement........ the cradles were the standard marina models made by a reputable company (Mecanorem). ......I trusted the yard to use an adequate cradle (which I rented from them). It is heartbreaking to see but we all put our faith in the professionals – don’t we. [ QUOTE ]
Perhaps it is a bit harsh, but boats operate and are over-wintered in a potentially harsh environment.
I think many owners tend to regard their boat in the same way as their car which can usually (but not always) be left with a garage in the expectation that it will be there when they come back for it, and in good condition.
In my experience, boatyards are commercial enterprises watching their costs like any other: highly variable in their standards of equipment, procedures, and level of care. Some are decidedly un-professional, and we should be cautious about the level of trust we accord them, and ready to question until we are satisfied they are up to a good standard.
In this case, if the cradles were hired, inadequately specified for the boats in them and not braced for the impending weather, I would think the yard is liable.
I think that may be rather a harsh judgement........ the cradles were the standard marina models made by a reputable company (Mecanorem). ......I trusted the yard to use an adequate cradle (which I rented from them). It is heartbreaking to see but we all put our faith in the professionals – don’t we. [ QUOTE ]
Perhaps it is a bit harsh, but boats operate and are over-wintered in a potentially harsh environment.
I think many owners tend to regard their boat in the same way as their car which can usually (but not always) be left with a garage in the expectation that it will be there when they come back for it, and in good condition.
In my experience, boatyards are commercial enterprises watching their costs like any other: highly variable in their standards of equipment, procedures, and level of care. Some are decidedly un-professional, and we should be cautious about the level of trust we accord them, and ready to question until we are satisfied they are up to a good standard.
In this case, if the cradles were hired, inadequately specified for the boats in them and not braced for the impending weather, I would think the yard is liable.
philip_stevens
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When I was in Roscoff a few weeks ago, I noticed that the fin keelers in cradles on the quay also had two mooring ropes fore and aft to strong-points in ground. These boats were stern on to the north.
A touch of belts and braces, and who can blame them. Well done to them for the extra effort.
A touch of belts and braces, and who can blame them. Well done to them for the extra effort.
gandy
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It finds it if you search for "MSC Napoli", but not if you search for "Napoli".