Re-engined Fairline Carrera 24

Hi there, have just seen this reply now Nick Burnham, however what is the weight of your boat. This Carrera is 3.5 tonne. And you are right. I've seen the article and the boat in mention is the exact boat in question. Thanks for your help.

You're very welcome. To answer your questions, the weight of my boat 'dry' is 1150kg according to Skibsplast, so about a third the weight of the Carrera. However it's not all about the weight of course (although that is perhaps the most relevant measure), things like wetted surface and how vee bottomed or flat bottomed a boat is will have an effect.

Worth noting also that my (single engine don't forget) boat will still easily pull 25 knots with the additional weight of a full tank of fuel and five people on board although acceleration suffers. (I'd considered 'gearing it up' with a larger prop as it hits max RPM so easily, but I fear it would then struggle to get on the plane in the first place with four or more on board and I'm wary of deviating from manufacturer specification in pursuit of extra performance, particularly given the engine is twenty years old, so I've left it 'stock').

This is my boat at speed, the single TAMD 22 pushes it along very well (shots of mine start at 1:15 - it's not the Cougar at the beginning, or indeed the Corsair in the intro sadly!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY8JqzXdI1o

No it is a little frustrating. Also I was told that if I put it in the water it's at my expense and I can only get my deposit returned if I have a qualified independent third party inspect the boat and they find a problem.

I was a broker for twenty years and I (almost) always asked for a deposit for a brokerage boat prior to sea trial (there was the occasional exceptional circumstance where I would seek the owner's permission for a sea trial when the boat was viewed, normally if a client was coming from overseas where returning for a sea trial at a later date would be impractical and the fact that the client was going to so much trouble and expense proved that he/she was serious).

HOWEVER, the terms of most agreements (check yours!) state that the sale is 'subject to satisfactory sea trial' (if you've requested one - always make sure your offer is 'subject to satisfactory survey and sea trial'). Which begs the question, to who's satisfaction? In my view as a broker, if we were going to insist on an offer being accepted and a deposit placed, then it was only fair that it was to the buyer's satisfaction, since he was being placed in that position by our process. (Interestingly I only ever had one boat rejected just because the purchaser didn't like it on trial after a deposit had been placed 'subject to...').

Certainly when I bought my last boat (through a broker in Poole) I confirmed that this was the case because - for example - if the boat were much too noisy or a very poor ride, these wouldn't be deemed mechanical faults, but I still might choose not to proceed.

This is something to discuss with the broker, as Whitelighter says, these things are normally negotiable within sensible reason. I made a video for MBY about sea trialling a boat, and this was one of the points I highlighted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmwQYKuFhNo

Have just taken your advice and looked at the info provided by the RYA and it says "buyers should be aware that they are responsible for the costs associated with sea-trial and lift in / out for survey"... So it looks like what I've been told is common practice :-/

Yes it is, and with good reason. My analogy was always, imagine you are selling a classic car. You know you've looked after it 'no expense spared' and it's near perfect and you have a buyer for it but he says 'I want to get a specialist to put it up on ramps and give it a thorough inspection'. If you're confident about the car then you'll be fine with that, but you'd expect him to pay for it wouldn't you? The inspection is for him, you don't want or need it, so he should bear any costs of that inspection.
 
Just watched the videos in the links you provided - the sea trial one is very informative. That along with your reply also raises a good point and one of the issues I'm having. There seems to be some discrepancy over speed. The broker / owner says it will do towards 26kts but someone I know (mechanic) who knows the boat says as its underpowered it won't do anywhere near that speed, he reckons cruising at about 8knts and max at 20knts. Of course the proof of the pudding is to go for a sea trial which according to the broker I need to negotiate and agree on a price "subject to..." And pay a ten percent deposit but i can only either withdraw or re negotiate if I take an independent qualified third party with me and they find something mechanically / electrically amiss. So if it turns out the boat can only comfortably do 8knts then I'm not sure it's the boat for me which would be the same if the diesels were too noisy a sell as these are all the reasons I want to change boats but it seems the broker isn't happy with this when I mentioned it before.

Another issue is relating to price - on one hand I've been told it's worth far more than the asking price but then I have also been told that it's worth £8k - £10k and both people are professionals within the marine business. So that leaves me unsure of what a reasonable offer would be should I get that far down the line.

The boat has been standing since 2011 and someone has apparently been commissioned to get it up and running next week so I guess I will hear more then and will have to decide what I do. I know another contributor stated why bother if the process is turning in to a hassle but the trouble for me is that I want a twin diesel cabin cruiser around the 25ft mark and I just can't find any others similar with diesels. They are all petrol.

Link to the boat I'm looking at is below just for your info.


http://www.highwaymarinegroup.co.uk/cgi-bin/public.pl?action=detail&id=862

Thanks for all your help, really appreciated

Darryl
 
Again, you're very welcome, I'm happy to help. But I'm not sure what I can add to the above.

You know how fast it should go as you have the figures.

Price is impossible to advise on without seeing it, other than to say that if your mate can find you a decent (assuming the boat in question is) twin diesel Carrera for £8-10K, then great. Can he? What really matters is what it's worth to you.

And if you decide to go ahead on this one then you need to make it clear to the broker that your offer is conditional on YOU being happy with all aspects of the sea trial (and survey/engine inspection if you chose to - well worth considering on a boat of this age).

Good luck, and let us know how you get on.
 
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