Re engine 16M trawler yacht

Sorry to hear about all the difficulties. Boats, eh......

Remember, it will all be worth it when you are on the boat in SoF and the sun is shining! In the meantime maybe you can blog a trip or two on a boat already there...I vaguely remember there is quite a nice Sq 78 in Antibes! :D:D
 
Thanks Pinnacle. Agree all problems are first world ones and will be overcome-- prob by continuing to throw money into the hole in the sea.
 
Silverdee, have you got the hang of pictures on here yet? Meantime here are a few of latest on this project:

Three pics of new John Deere engines. I think the second picture has in background the new Onan genset, the tender with Yam 2 stroke (which is being kept as we bought it new 15 years ago and 2 stokes are like golddust now), and one of the old volvos

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New laundry equipment and new radar arch being made
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silverdee said:
Thanks Pinnacle. Agree all problems are first world ones and will be overcome-- prob by continuing to throw money into the hole in the sea.
Pinnacle said:
That does seem to be the usual way!
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Yeah, absolutely. :D
Already years ago, I developed a train of thoughts to justify that.
If you have some "disposable" savings, the most obvious alternative to throwing them into a hole in the sea is "investing" them.
Which, as any clever private banking consultant can explain you in detail, is the most sensible idea.
Alas, the reality is different.
By "investing" your money instead of throwing it into a hole in the sea, actually you are just supporting the bosses of those consultants to throw your hard earned money into their own - typically much bigger - holes in the water.
Since I began looking at such dilemma in this way, I decided it was not only more enjoyable, but also wiser to throw money into my own hole, rather than feed their... :)

Back to the point, sorry to hear of your troubles, SD.
But I hope - no, wait - I'm SURE that the "new" SD will be a great boat, eventually.

What made me curious in your update, more than the delay as such, is the separate delivery of the two engines.
Normally, engines delivered for twin installations are built "together", so to speak, and have in fact consecutive serial numbers.
Is this true also of yours?
Mind, I never really bought the idea (particularly in modern, robot-driven manufacturing) that there are real reasons for the above.
So, I wouldn't worry if they aren't consecutive - just curious....
 
MapisM, iirc the 2 engines left JDeere in USA as a pair but got separated somewhere in the Barrus (= UK importer of JDeere) part of the process. IIRC the separation was possibly due to the right hand engine in the 2nd picture being sent somewhere for (retro) fit of the extra PTOs that you can see close up in the 1st picture (for the stabs, I think)

I don't know about SD's serial numbers but I agree your comment about robot manufacturing. On my last boat the caterpillars were consecutive, but on my current boat they are xxxx13 and xxxx16

I like your holes in the water analysis :D
 
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Thanks Pinnacle , Mapis M and jfm. Yes Barrus had a subcontractor make brackets to mount the stabiliser pumps on port engine so it took longer with much chasing from me and poor communication from them. Cr*p service and no attempt at recompense even in a modest way. God knows how many Barrus imported bits of stuff I have bought over the years. Mariner and Mercury engines, Polaris Quad bikes, various small Yanmar plant engines, log splitter etc. One can only learn and try to avoid in future I guess.
 
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MapisM, iirc the 2 engines left JDeere in USA as a pair but got separated somewhere in the Barrus (= UK importer of JDeere) part of the process. IIRC the separation was possibly due to the right hand engine in the 2nd picture being sent somewhere for (retro) fit of the extra PTOs that you can see close up in the 1st picture (for the stabs, I think)

I don't know about SD's serial numbers but I agree your comment about robot manufacturing. On my last boat the caterpillars were consecutive, but on my current boat they are xxxx13 and xxxx16

I like your holes in the water analysis :D
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Marine engines have a high degree of customisation. whilst many base engine processes are automated, final upfit is still manually intensive. The engine number sequence stuff is interesting. I once asked the question why engine numbers were not in sequence and was answered by an engineering quality production manager who was of the opinion that production teams build superior quality if they are constantly building different specs making constant reference to that particular shop order. Sounded convincing to me!

Suspect there would have been a second upfit at the distributor (Barrus) where gearbox and drive plate are fitted, I think it would be unlikely that that upfit have been carried out at the Deere plant in US as PRM are not a popular transmission in the American market.

As a matter of interest what drive plate was specified by Barrus to go with this combination?

Just for the record, worth making sure that Barrus have supplied a statement of torsional compatibility for this engine gearbox combination if not Deere factory level upfit. I have always been in favor of purchasing the engine/transmission package from the engine manufacturer, leaving the distributor to put the package together can occasionally lead to finger pointing at a later date. In fact all options are best at factory level, once had major scrap over a supplementary alternator fitted at dealer level, unit failed and it turned out the alternator only had six months warranty.
 
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Suspect there would have been a second upfit at the distributor (Barrus) where gearbox and drive plate are fitted, I think it would be unlikely that that upfit have been carried out at the Deere plant in US as PRM are not a popular transmission in the American market.
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Geez... You live and learn, as they say.
I always thought that when purchasing a new marine engine and gearbox from any builder (or its official distributor), the stuff was always assembled (and obviously guaranteed) as a whole package.
Can't think how pixxed anyone would be to discover that there's any sort of incompatibility between engine and gearbox, in such situation... :eek:
Goes without saying that I really wish SD that this is not the case!
 
Interesting Latestarter1 thank you. Don`t know what drive plate was used not do I have statement of torsional compatibility. I will ask though. Of course Barrus put together the quote with various gearbox options so I am comfortable that its down to them to ensure that the combination works -- and equally not too worried at this stage that it mightn`t.
 
MapisM said:
Geez... You live and learn, as they say.
I always thought that when purchasing a new marine engine and gearbox from any builder (or its official distributor), the stuff was always assembled (and obviously guaranteed) as a whole package.
Can't think how pixxed anyone would be to discover that there's any sort of incompatibility between engine and gearbox, in such situation... :eek:
Goes without saying that I really wish SD that this is not the case!
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If you take a look at warranty statement from any manufacturer there is a torsional clause. I simply like to avoid preventing future finger pointing if at all possible.
Take this a for-instance, package consists of engine drive plate and transmission. Distributor and in some cases boat builder puts the package together with engine supplied bobtail. There is a rattle from the engine at idle, technician says it is gearbox rattling so gearbox rep comes out and says yes noise is coming from our gearbox but it is being caused by the drive coupling. The drive coupling manufacturer says not me guv we think flywheel is too light. Engine manufacturer says nothing wrong with the engine, not a warranty issue, yes there is a heavier flywheel available, option 12345 at £1,000 please. Which dancing partner picks up the tab??? So it goes on. Been there....................
 
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nice work, on a nice looking boat,

that new canopy looks familiar ;-)

its a good thing that you have the boat close to home (I assume)
we have done many upgrades to our boat, while she's in the med,
takes so much more time and effort, ... even more difficult now that she's outside Europe (Montenegro)
so my advice; make sure you do as much you can before your sail her to SOF !
good luck, and much fun with the refit !
 
Thank you its not that near home its in Troon in Scotland and I am in Cheshire so 4-5 hour drive away but yes trying to get what i can done before the "short hop" to SoF -- but also need to get going by say early May and tons to do so no doubt some jobs will get shelved for another time.
Yes the bimini is a hand me down lets hope the alteration from 80 foot boat to 55 odd works!
 
silverdee said:
Thank you its not that near home its in Troon in Scotland and I am in Cheshire so 4-5 hour drive away but yes trying to get what i can done before the "short hop" to SoF -- but also need to get going by say early May and tons to do so no doubt some jobs will get shelved for another time.
Yes the bimini is a hand me down lets hope the alteration from 80 foot boat to 55 odd works!
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That is a lovely boat, congratulations.

in a very quiet whisper. ( suggest you join the trawler forum, lots and lots of boats like yours)
http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/
 
rustybarge said:
That is a lovely boat, congratulations.
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Definitely +1.
Among other things, I'm impressed by the engine room height.
Judging by the pic, it's a full stand-on e/r, isn't it?
I can't think of many boats of this size with such convenience!
 
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