Raymarine Quantum radar - using WiFi and RayView

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Anybody using the Raymarine Quantum radar on WiFi only AND also using RayView/Control at the same time ?
Is this possible other than on the very latest eS plotters?

As Quantum is not compatible with the E -Wide series or below, I was hoping to connect to an e7 via WiFi, then view the radar images on deck real time via an iPad across RayView/RayControl.

However, reading the installation manuals seems to suggest this may not be possible - as the Quantum needs to connect with its own dedicated SSID.
But the manual is in Raymarine speak not English (below) so cannot be sure.
(NB Been trying to get registered for Raymarine Technical Forum for 3 weeks but no access, or indeed any response, yet - doh. So if anybody at the Show want to ask the Raymarine bods F2F feel free)

Quantum installation manual P45
MFD access point connection when connected to Quantum Wi-Fi
Depending on you MFD variant, you may be restricted from connecting your MFD to a Wi-Fi access point, if a Quantum Radar that is connected using Wi-Fi is currently transmitting on the system.
a, c, e and gS Series MFDs CANNOT connect to a Wi-Fi access point if there is a transmitting Wi-Fi connected Quantum Radar in the system. To
connect these MFDs to a Wi-Fi access point the Quantum Radar must be placed in Standby mode first.
eS Series MFDs CAN connect to a Wi-Fi access point at the same time as being connected to a transmitting Wi-Fi connected Quantum Radar.

Ambiguity is whether use of WiFi for RayView/RayControl is deemed as the e7 "connecting to a WiFi access point" or not.
Clearly a physical RayNet cable is another option, but more wiring to thread - and it would appear that this is a one off choice when buying, not just an extra cable in the box but perhaps omitting the data connection from the scanner also. Hence need to be sure the WiFi option works fully
 
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I can't answer your question but I don't know if you already connect your e7 to an iPad, but you may or may not find, as I do, that RayControl will refuse to reconnect after use unless it is closed down first.
 
johnalison said:
I can't answer your question but I don't know if you already connect your e7 to an iPad, but you may or may not find, as I do, that RayControl will refuse to reconnect after use unless it is closed down first.
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I have used the RayView and RayControl extensively with the iPad, and often also RayView on Android - and generally worked fine for me. A very handy feature, particularly for checking things all OK during the night in borderline anchorages without getting out of the bunk ;-)
 
I haven't tried this with a Quantum radar but I have had an e-series connected to an android tablet and a wi-fi access point (marina wi-fi) simultaneously

The tec blurb suggests that the Quantum radar uses the client side of the plotter wi-fi (which makes sense as the radar is the host and the plotter the client whereas when you connect a mobile device the plotter is the host and the device is the client)

To put it another way, it outta work :)
 
dunedin said:
A fellow forumite has pointed me in the direction of the following Raymarine Tech Forum post - #2 from Raymarine sounds encouraging. though I would still want confirmed before shelling out hard cash

http://forum.raymarine.com/showthread.php?tid=655
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I haven't installed my new radar yet. The advice I got was to use the included data (Ethernet) cable if possible.
wifi can be subject of interference so it make sense to use cable for a mission critical application.
 
knuterikt said:
I haven't installed my new radar yet. The advice I got was to use the included data (Ethernet) cable if possible.
wifi can be subject of interference so it make sense to use cable for a mission critical application.
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Neither Raynet cable, nor perhaps the connection, is included in the base WiFi only model.
Wifi should be pretty reliable, particularly away from marinas, and avoids the need to route the second cable so easier to install. Also, whilst I would see autopilot control as "mission critical" I don't see radar as this - more an additional benefit used occasionally. Hence the original question.
 
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dunedin said:
Neither Raynet cable, nor perhaps the connection, is included in the base WiFi only model.
Wifi should be pretty reliable, particularly away from marinas, and avoids the need to route the second cable so easier to install. Also, whilst I would see autopilot control as "mission critical" I don't see radar as this - more an additional benefit used occasionally. Hence the original question.
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[FONT=&quot]T70243 and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]E70210 is the same scanner both include WiFi and ethernet, only difference is that [/FONT][FONT=&quot]T70243 include 10 m data cable.
[/FONT]Data cable with other lengths is optional.
 
On both the eS series and the a series, you can operate the Quantum over wifi and simultaneously connect in from an iPad or Android tablet. The restriction is on bridging the marina wifi through the plotter to your tablet or PC - that will not work while you have the radar running.
 
knuterikt said:
T70243 and E70210 is the same scanner both include WiFi and ethernet, only difference is that T70243 include 10 m data cable. Data cable with other lengths is optional.
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Have you seen the physical devices to confirm this? If so great.

Reading the Raymarine Installation Manual the wording on page 12 implies, and the picture on page 35 shows explicitly, the omission of the Raynet connection point on the WiFi only version. Hence in this case subsequently buying a cable would not help.
Of course it may be that the manual is wrong, or Raymarine subsequently decided (rightly) that this is nonsense and better to make one identical device. But I would want to see the wifi only device to be sure
 
dunedin said:
Have you seen the physical devices to confirm this? If so great.

Reading the Raymarine Installation Manual the wording on page 12 implies, and the picture on page 35 shows explicitly, the omission of the Raynet connection point on the WiFi only version. Hence in this case subsequently buying a cable would not help.
Of course it may be that the manual is wrong, or Raymarine subsequently decided (rightly) that this is nonsense and better to make one identical device. But I would want to see the wifi only device to be sure
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The information on Raymarine web & documents is confusing..
I have the one with cable so I can't verify that, I was told by the tech guy that it was only one radome model.
To be sure it would be best / safest to ask Raymarine or a distributor.
 
knuterikt said:
The information on Raymarine web & documents is confusing..
I have the one with cable so I can't verify that, I was told by the tech guy that it was only one radome model.
To be sure it would be best / safest to ask Raymarine or a distributor.
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I am strongly of the opinion that there is only one model of radome and the difference between the two packages is simply the presence or absence of the cable. We bought the one with the cable by mistake, but used the supplied cable to link the two plotters, so it was not wasted.
 
I can confirm that the the Quantum radome that I purchased was supplied with Power cable only, but has both a power and data cable port on the base.

I concur with maby that there is only one Radome model, with the packaging options of being supplied with Power Cable only (for those who wish / can use wi-fi) and the power cable and data cable option (for those who wish/need to use a dedicated data cable).

The pricing for the packaging variants would also support that belief.
 
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kennyh said:
I can confirm that the the Quantum radome that I purchased was supplied with Power cable only, but has both a power and data cable port on the base.

I concur with maby that there is only one Radome model, with the packaging options of being supplied with Power Cable only (for those who wish / can use wi-fi) and the power cable and data cable option (for those who wish/need to use a dedicated data cable).

The pricing for the packaging variants would also support that belief.
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Worth noting that, even if you intend to connect via wifi, it may make sense to buy the package that includes the data cable if you are going to need one elsewhere in your installation. The price difference between the two Quantum packages can be quite a lot less than the separate price of a data cable that long.
 
kennyh said:
I can confirm that the the Quantum radome that I purchased was supplied with Power cable only, but has both a power and data cable port on the base.

I concur with maby that there is only one Radome model, with the packaging options of being supplied with Power Cable only (for those who wish / can use wi-fi) and the power cable and data cable option (for those who wish/need to use a dedicated data cable).

The pricing for the packaging variants would also support that belief.
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Great thanks. So it is just the Raymarine installation manual pictures that was wrong. Helpful clarification
 
While at the boat show discussing an es plotter with quantum package, a dealer/installer working on the raymarine stand suggested it would be unwise to buy the unit without the cable. His reasoning being the data cable is not much, if any, bigger than the power cable, which needs dropping down the mast anyway, so not much time or cost to add it, and that early experience has shown that if / when the two lose wifi contact, they need to be powered down to re-set (raising eyebrows!).
 
zikzik said:
While at the boat show discussing an es plotter with quantum package, a dealer/installer working on the raymarine stand suggested it would be unwise to buy the unit without the cable. His reasoning being the data cable is not much, if any, bigger than the power cable, which needs dropping down the mast anyway, so not much time or cost to add it, and that early experience has shown that if / when the two lose wifi contact, they need to be powered down to re-set (raising eyebrows!).
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I guess a lot depends on the layout of your boat, but I do think that is an oversimplification. It is true that the two cables are of similar size, but the power cable terminates in bare wires whereas the data cable has a relatively large diameter plug at each end. When ours was installed, the yard simply put a deck gland at the base of the mast to let the power through - to do the same with the data cable, it would have been necessary to cut it and subsequently join the ten cores, broadly maintaining the twist of the pairs - not impossible, but a tedious job. Having got the cable down the mast and into the boat, it would then need to be routed round the boat to the plotter - another tedious job in many modern boats. Also remember that the standard cable included with the package is just 10 metres long - and take into account that it is going up the mast - your boat does not need to be very big before that is not enough to get to the plotter, routing neatly behind the panels.

Our boat had power already routed to the base of the mast specifically to supply a radome - the installation using wifi took about half an hour with no disruption to the furnishings. Routing the data cable would have significantly added to the complexity of the job. Admittedly, we have only had it a few months, but the wifi connection has been very solid.
 
A good point about the data cable and good to know it has worked well so far. Maybe he was just drumming up a bit of extra work? Anyway, I ordered a Garmin combo in the end as preferred the plotter. So no wifi choice for me.
 
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