Rant, Bit peeded off.

[powerskipper]

I know this is similar to jimi thread But,
Two things that get me going, bullying and Sexual discrimination!!!!

What do you call sex discrimination?

Sexual comments,

References to gender,

Unequal pay FOR THE SAME JOB.

Unnecessary physical contact

What would you say?


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Julie

 

[DepSol]

Unfortunately THATS LIFE, not that we want it that way but that is the way it is. I am always getting sexually harrased by the women at work and I have complained bitterly about it but nothing gets done.

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[halcyon]

If you were an apprentice in the 60's sexual harresment was common, you dreaded some departments, 600 women in one place, I've lost mates for a complete day.

In a way we had equality then, both sexes harrased each other, but I seem to remember the women were the worst, at least on the shop floor.

Brian

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[powerskipper]

Dom, I give as good as I get on the banter front, no problem there.

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Julie

 

[powerskipper]

In some ways things have moved on and for the better. That kind of harrasment is bad and I for one am glad that it has stoped, but some things don't .!!

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Julie

 

[boatless]

My guess it that you're really peed about the bit in capitals - and you've just found out. Good news is that it happens same sex too.

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[Divemaster1]

Julie,

This one gets very difficult..... discrimination in any way is poor irrespective of how one sees it. We should celebrate diversity irrespective, as it creates the world we live in and forms part of what we all are:

1) "Sexual comments" - This depends upon context and company.... as someone else pointed out, if the pervailing circumstances is mutual "banter", then acept it... but not if it isn't. If you know the person and that is the "un-written rule" then OK... if not stay away from it and o not accept it .... speak out against it and make it clear that it is "un-welcome sexual comments".

2) "References to gender" - If this is relating to superiority of one over the other, it is wrong in most contexts.

3) "Unequal pay FOR THE SAME JOB" - Now that could be relating to"positive discrimination", which some corporations encourage..... don't approve irrespective.

4) "Unnecessary physical contact" - If related to 1., above and un-welcome, speak out!

I think you will find that most people will respect someone speaking out on this very sensitive subject, as what is sexual discrimination for you, may not be perceived as that for me. I have found that being open and honest in these matters helps improve mutual understaning of each others boundaries and makes for better relationships all around, irespective of gender or racial differences.

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[Mike21]

Try this

Might make you feel better/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[JonBrooks]

I guess a lot of it is down to how it effects you.

What one woman may find offensive another may have no problem with.

If you feel unhappy with what has been said to you or the way someone has touched you then you must complain.

Although there are guideline you must speak out if you not happy

All IMHO

Regards



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[ParaHandy]

it's strange but i think true that most of what you, rightly, complain of is a UK problem which is handled without the same difficulty in mainland europe.

was propping the bar up with a lawyer friend and we were moaning about having to meet a certain type of women whom we happen to see a lot of these days. aggressive and wants it all .... we agreed that such behaviour was perhaps felt necessary for a varity of reasons including those you mention.

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[Alistairr]

MMMmmm, That time of the month is it Julie??



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[jhr]

Time of the month

I assume you mean Payday, Alistair? Or have you developed a death wish /forums/images/icons/crazy.gif?

I spend chunks of my working life dealing with both of these things and I'd agree that it is sometimes about perception. However at other times it is blatantly obvious that someone is being discriminated against or bullied. What I find dificult to get across to (some of) my colleagues is the damage that can be caused by behaviour like this, both in terms of the demotivation of the person thus affected and in terms of a company's reputation as an employer.

I also have to say that I have seen cases where false allegations of discrimination/bullying/harassment are used as a smokescreen to try and deflect attention from personal incompetence or misconduct. The damage that this can do to the person against whom the allegations are made cannot be under-rated and I have seen at least one (excellent) manager made ill by the strain caused by this kind of thing. It's a minefield. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

Julie: having said all of this, I hope this hasn't been prompted by you suffering behaviour of this kind? You strike me as the kind of person who can stand up for themselves (perhaps Mike21 can clarify /forums/images/icons/wink.gif) but I agree that it's a pernicious thing. There are all kinds of resources on the web and, if you are really fed up, you can do things like send an Equal Pay Questionnaire to your employer, asking for details of the salaries of comparable male employees. This will really piss your employer off, btw, so I'd only do it if you think the relationship has completely broken down and you are contemplating legal action.

All imho.

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[powerskipper]

I rest my case!

IF i DID NOT KNOW YOU !!!!!1
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Julie
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[PhilF]

Re: I rest my case!

This place is turning into a zoo
Happy Easter
PhilF

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[powerskipper]

Re: I rest my case!

Thanks, and Happy Easter to you to. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Julie

 

[Col]

You mean like this???

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[Mike21]

Alistair, if you're going to mercury meet, hope you know how to duck/forums/images/icons/smile.gif or perhaps swim since think she wants to practice MOB and your IT/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[duncan]

What's wrong - if you are going to drink it you should carry it!

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[jimi]

I think this is a really difficult area and is so much dependent on the people involved, backgrounds, culture and the relationship. I know I make comments a lot that seem to be of an "ist" nature but I actually would be horrified if anyone thought I meant them. I would judge by actions .. and inapproriate touching etc is not discrimination but harassment, comments & bandinage I'd ignore as being part of life's rich tapestry unless followed up by discriminatory actions. Unequal pay is an action and is abhorrent as is any unjustified discriminatory behaviour on the basis of sex,age,race or religion.


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[Mike21]

Re: Stand up for herself

Yep, I can vouch for that

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