LittleSister
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Can anyone tell me with confidence whether I need a CEVNI cert./inland ICC to navigate the river Rance upstream of the barrage?
Rance - CEVNI required?
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tomdroyal1980
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Can anyone tell me with confidence whether I need a CEVNI cert./inland ICC to navigate the river Rance upstream of the barrage?
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Stand by for a load of guesses dressed up as fact.
Can anyone tell me with confidence whether I need a CEVNI cert./inland ICC to navigate the river Rance upstream of the barrage?
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Stand by for a load of guesses dressed up as fact.
BrendanS
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Why so negative. Just to assure you that it is fact, a training school says it is required
"If you plan to spend any time on the River Rance or any other inland waterways in France and the rest of Europe you must hold a CEVNI endorsement on your International Certificate of Competence. "
http://www.jerseysailing.com/section/37/index.html
"If you plan to spend any time on the River Rance or any other inland waterways in France and the rest of Europe you must hold a CEVNI endorsement on your International Certificate of Competence. "
http://www.jerseysailing.com/section/37/index.html
tomdroyal1980
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Why so negative. Just to assure you that it is fact, a training school says it is required
"If you plan to spend any time on the River Rance or any other inland waterways in France and the rest of Europe you must hold a CEVNI endorsement on your International Certificate of Competence. "
http://www.jerseysailing.com/section/37/index.html
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Unless you hire the boat over there, of course.
Why so negative. Just to assure you that it is fact, a training school says it is required
"If you plan to spend any time on the River Rance or any other inland waterways in France and the rest of Europe you must hold a CEVNI endorsement on your International Certificate of Competence. "
http://www.jerseysailing.com/section/37/index.html
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Unless you hire the boat over there, of course.
LittleSister
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The sailing school may perhaps (or not!) be overstating the case (they are, after all trying to sell courses), or perhaps there is a difference between formal requirements and practice. I've cruised round large and small Dutch canals (admittedly some time ago) with no CEVNI and we were never asked for one.
Anyone with any practical experience of the Rance and its requirements out there? Or of being 'caught' somewhere in France without CEVNI where it is formally required?
Anyone with any practical experience of the Rance and its requirements out there? Or of being 'caught' somewhere in France without CEVNI where it is formally required?
bendyone
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Been there a number of times, never asked for anything, My guess is that it is not required up tp the lock into the canal by Dinan
ebbtide
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The question is "Where does a waterway start?" and it's usually the first sea lock, in this case the one in the barrage near St Servan.
Whether French authorities are interested is another matter, but as a Vignette (licence) isn't needed for the Brittany canals they are unlikely to bother you. Unless you have an argument with a gendarme of course - but that's another story! One piece of useful paperwork better obtained in advance from the harbour office rather than in the lock itself is the Avis of water depths and times. How's your French?
Whether French authorities are interested is another matter, but as a Vignette (licence) isn't needed for the Brittany canals they are unlikely to bother you. Unless you have an argument with a gendarme of course - but that's another story! One piece of useful paperwork better obtained in advance from the harbour office rather than in the lock itself is the Avis of water depths and times. How's your French?
somerset
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This is from the RYA Website:
''Certificate of competence:
No certificate of competence required on a UK registered boat in French coastal waters. ICC required on French inland waters unless the boat is less than 5m in length and is not capable of more than 11 knots (20kph). For vessels over 24m in length the ICC is not sufficient.
The French define the inland waters as beginning in general terms at the first obstacle to navigation for seagoing ships. This can be a lock, a bridge or a tidal barrage. On smaller rivers, however the limit of the inland waters is taken to be the mouth. If in doubt check with the local Harbour Master.
You must carry onboard:
A copy of the CEVNI regulations (when visiting French inland waters)''
Interestingly they do not mention whether or not you require a CEVNI endorsement on the ICC.Merely that you carry a copy of the Regs.
When I traversed the French Canals to the Med in 2004 I took the belt and braces approach and made sure that my wife and I each had an ICC with CEVNI endorsement before we left.We were boarded by the Douaniers at Rouen and every document was inspected.We were boarded by the Gendarmerie on the Rhone and by the Douaniers again on the Etang du Thau in the South of France.On each occasion it was obviously a 'sweep' for training and figures purposes.
Just as in this country it seems to me that if you bump into the wrong official on the wrong day and your documentation is not watertight then you can expect to be pinged - which could prove expensive and somewhat inconvenient.
FWIW I would not venture beyond the Rance barrage without an ICC with CEVNI endorsement.But that's me and is the product of the mindset induced by 28 years as a policeman.Others may adopt a more laissez faire attitude to these matters and good luck to them.All I know is that I had no qualms whatsoever when French officialdom made a foray into our little world.I certainly enjoyed it when they realised they were on a loser and left.
''Certificate of competence:
No certificate of competence required on a UK registered boat in French coastal waters. ICC required on French inland waters unless the boat is less than 5m in length and is not capable of more than 11 knots (20kph). For vessels over 24m in length the ICC is not sufficient.
The French define the inland waters as beginning in general terms at the first obstacle to navigation for seagoing ships. This can be a lock, a bridge or a tidal barrage. On smaller rivers, however the limit of the inland waters is taken to be the mouth. If in doubt check with the local Harbour Master.
You must carry onboard:
A copy of the CEVNI regulations (when visiting French inland waters)''
Interestingly they do not mention whether or not you require a CEVNI endorsement on the ICC.Merely that you carry a copy of the Regs.
When I traversed the French Canals to the Med in 2004 I took the belt and braces approach and made sure that my wife and I each had an ICC with CEVNI endorsement before we left.We were boarded by the Douaniers at Rouen and every document was inspected.We were boarded by the Gendarmerie on the Rhone and by the Douaniers again on the Etang du Thau in the South of France.On each occasion it was obviously a 'sweep' for training and figures purposes.
Just as in this country it seems to me that if you bump into the wrong official on the wrong day and your documentation is not watertight then you can expect to be pinged - which could prove expensive and somewhat inconvenient.
FWIW I would not venture beyond the Rance barrage without an ICC with CEVNI endorsement.But that's me and is the product of the mindset induced by 28 years as a policeman.Others may adopt a more laissez faire attitude to these matters and good luck to them.All I know is that I had no qualms whatsoever when French officialdom made a foray into our little world.I certainly enjoyed it when they realised they were on a loser and left.
Bandit
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I went as far as Dinan last year and no one asked me for my Cevni which is lucky as i dont have one.
Apart from a couple of small passenger ferries there are no barges and its quite a busy stop off for sea vessels.
I have never heard of anyone being asked for one between Dinan and the Barrage.
Going up the Rance about a mile of so above the barrage on the west bank at la Jouvant is a pontoon with I understand deep water 4m or so and an excellent restaurant at the hotel that owns the pontoon the Jersey Lilley ( Shame about the name but a good restaurant all the same).
Apart from a couple of small passenger ferries there are no barges and its quite a busy stop off for sea vessels.
I have never heard of anyone being asked for one between Dinan and the Barrage.
Going up the Rance about a mile of so above the barrage on the west bank at la Jouvant is a pontoon with I understand deep water 4m or so and an excellent restaurant at the hotel that owns the pontoon the Jersey Lilley ( Shame about the name but a good restaurant all the same).
Mrnotming
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AFAIK if your conduct leads officialdom to believe that you are incompetent, you will be asked to take an exam before proceeding further.Having the regulations from the RYA and Marion Martin's book from the same source would aid you in passing this test. In 2005 there were loads of strikes affecting the waterways, so little inspection of anything seemed to occur. The reverse was true when cruising Brittany in 2001, when frequent boardings occurred, so much so that I politely asked if there was a document they could give me to show that I had entered correctly and been inspected. This slip of paper was brought over from the mother craft in a RiB and handed to me to keep in the ships registration document.Decorum was observed at all times and coffee proffered and accepted.Good sailing.Remember, justification for jobs to be kept, has to result in statistics being gathered, and fines produce income to help fuel the patrol boats. So have your papers in order!
tomdroyal1980
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Can anyone point me to the French law on this.
What is the punishment for a British Registered boat failing to have an crew member with ICC on the French Inland waters?
Does your boat have to be registered to use the French inland waters?
What if it isn't registered?
On another thread someone said you don't need an ICC to go up to Cain and it met with general approval.
What is the punishment for a British Registered boat failing to have an crew member with ICC on the French Inland waters?
Does your boat have to be registered to use the French inland waters?
What if it isn't registered?
On another thread someone said you don't need an ICC to go up to Cain and it met with general approval.
