Ramsay Isle of Man?? or Douglas? Or Kirkudbright?

[misterg]

I must declare an interest (not that it stopped my earlier criticism): the boss of Imray has been a friend for 40 years. In general I'd say Imray pilots are excellent. But the IoM stuff in the new Irish Sea pilot is dated, incomplete and sometimes plain wrong.

Perhaps the most glaring error is re tidal flows on IoM W coast. These divide at Contrary Head just S of Peel, then more-or-less follow the coast. Pilot book claims they flow TO the Head when the tide is making, whereas the opposite is the case. Claimed flow timings through Calf Sound are also in error.

Excuse me if I'm being dense, but are we talking about David Rainsbury's book here ? (This one ).

 

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The booklet was out of print. However if you go to www.gov.im/transport/harbours/tides.xm you'll see similar tidal streams chartlets reproduced from something I knocked up a few years ago. (I'd have mentioned this before, but had no idea it was there until I asked mr Google.)

I'm getting a 'file not found' thingy for that link.
But if you click on 'Tides' bingo, there it is.
Not sure about the speeds though. I've been stopped dead at Point of Ayre heading down to Ramsey just after HW with 6 knots showing on the clock many times.
Dave

 

[Ubergeekian]

Excuse me if I'm being dense, but are we talking about David Rainsbury's book here ? (This one ).

That's the one. If they renamed it from "The Irish Sea Pilot" to "Recollections of a Few Marinas I've Been To" it would be less disappointing, if no more useful.

 

[Ubergeekian]

I'm getting a 'file not found' thingy for that link.

The original was missing the final 'l':

http://www.gov.im/transport/harbours/tides.xml

 

[macd]

The original was missing the final 'l':

http://www.gov.im/transport/harbours/tides.xml

Sorry, folks, and thanks Ubergeekian. I've amended the relevant post in case someone stumbles across it in future.

 

[macd]

Not sure about the speeds though. I've been stopped dead at Point of Ayre heading down to Ramsey just after HW with 6 knots showing on the clock many times

Speeds are as per the original Ramsey Club booklet. They're different at TT time, since the all those racing bikes hurtling around clockwise make the Island spin the other way. Thought everyone knew that.

 

[earlybird]

Regarding the tidal streams round the Isle of Man, the Manx Sailing and Cruising Club (Ramsey) published 12 page leaflet giving the streams all round the island hour by hour. I'm not sure if it is still in print, but Manx members might confirm. I've used it for the last 35 years, and if doing a circumnavigation, it is invaluable.
Dave

The MSCC booklet went out of print many years ago, but, later on, a new edition was published by Hunter Publications, Wild Boar Cottage, Rawcliffe Rd, St Michaels on Wyre, Lancs, PR3 0UH.
The ISBN No is:- 0 9529990 0 5
I got mine about 10 years ago, so I don't know if this has gone out of print as well.

 

[Croak]

Did all that stuff about health insurance and the IOM get sorted out?

 

[colvic987]

The MSCC booklet went out of print many years ago, but, later on, a new edition was published by Hunter Publications, Wild Boar Cottage, Rawcliffe Rd, St Michaels on Wyre, Lancs, PR3 0UH.
The ISBN No is:- 0 9529990 0 5
I got mine about 10 years ago, so I don't know if this has gone out of print as well.

which had loads of errors on, but was the only decent book for the area..

 

[claymore]

Morecambe Bay to the Clyde

Whitehaven - available at just about any state of the tide although LWS may be a challenge for you.

Its 18hrs to Troon from there, so a few hours of darkness but not many.

IOM from Fleetwood I think I would go to Douglas although it means being away a couple of hours earlier to be at Pt of Ayre at HW.
Portpatrick is straightforward but a bit of a risk in strong westerlies - to be honest if its not on then it is only another 3-4 hrs round to Corsewall and shelter in Lady Bay(?)

Going the Irish side is lovely but it always seems to take weeks - if you did that then Port St Mary is good with a cross over to Ardglass being fairly short. Portaferry is a good stopover but the tides are strong and dictate your timings.
Actually it is making a long trip of it to do this!

 

[IanH]

Did all that stuff about health insurance and the IOM get sorted out?

Depends what you mean by sorted out. If you are not resident on the IoM and you don't want to have to pay any costs of admission to hospital plus any costs associated with repatriating you to your country of origin for yourself then get insurance cover. Plenty available and not expensive.

Ian

 

[macd]

Did all that stuff about health insurance and the IOM get sorted out?

It's definitely sorted out to the satisfaction of the UK Govt.

The situation is this:
from 1 April 2010 UK residents visiting the Isle of Man will NOT be able to claim free reciprocal health care. They will, however receive free emergency medical treatment. (The same is true in reverse of IoM residents visiting UK.)

Thus it may be wise to have health insurance if visiting IoM from UK.

HOWEVER (and in this respect IanH's post isn't reliable guidance): many, probably most, UK travel insurance companies define the IoM as being part of the UK (which is isn't, but there you go). They further define an insured trip as not beginning until you leave the UK. So if you travel to IoM you are not on a trip so far as the insurer is concerned, and therefore not covered. (This is not mere opinion: I specifically checked it with a major UK insurer a month ago. And with an Australian provider of year-round, long-stay insurance, which also defined IoM as part of the UK. There are exceptions but this seems to be the industry standard.)

This may well change, but in the meantime, check the small print.

NOTE: the Channel Isles were excluded from the reciprocal health care agreement last year, so the same applies there.

 

[IanH]

HOWEVER (and in this respect IanH's post isn't reliable guidance): many, probably most, UK travel insurance companies define the IoM as being part of the UK (which is isn't, but there you go). They further define an insured trip as not beginning until you leave the UK. So if you travel to IoM you are not on a trip so far as the insurer is concerned, and therefore not covered. (This is not mere opinion: I specifically checked it with a major UK insurer a month ago. And with an Australian provider of year-round, long-stay insurance, which also defined IoM as part of the UK. There are exceptions but this seems to be the industry standard.)QUOTE]

Try this link http://www.gov.im/dhss/reciprocal_agreement/travelinsurance.xml

 

[macd]

Try this link http://www.gov.im/dhss/reciprocal_agreement/travelinsurance.xml

Thanks IanH.

The link, of course, offers info about insurance for IoM residents visiting the UK, not the other way round which is, after all, what this thread is about. My point was really aimed at UK residents visiting the Isle of Man, most of whom will be far less familiar with the issue and its implications than Manx residents. It's big news in Douglas but not, I suspect, in Manchester.

That being so, I've taken the liberty of starting a thread on the same subject. You and I might be familiar with it, but I suspect many UK residents are not.

 

[IanH]

Thanks IanH.

The link, of course, offers info about insurance for IoM residents visiting the UK, not the other way round which is, after all, what this thread is about. My point was really aimed at UK residents visiting the Isle of Man, most of whom will be far less familiar with the issue and its implications than Manx residents. It's big news in Douglas but not, I suspect, in Manchester.

That being so, I've taken the liberty of starting a thread on the same subject. You and I might be familiar with it, but I suspect many UK residents are not.

Macd, you are correct however, my understanding from some of these companies is that they are also offering their products to uk residents who wish to travel to the iom. Please don't ask how I know this, just believe that I do.

Ian