Raggies speed judgement

[PaulGooch]

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Please consider other water users & stay within speed limits & at speeds to minimise wash in sheltered water (this might be WOT on the plane for your boat). Just above hull displacement speed probably creates worst wash, and probably wastes most fuel, so a bit slower or faster benefits you & other water users as well.<snip>[/I]

Excellent point with ref to actual speed. It's always a concern when we're around other boats, travelling a bit faster than the speed limit might create less wash, but can look bad. I always try to minimise inconvenience to other boaters, however their boat is powered, some of them don't always appreciate it.

 

[DAKA]

I've done the raggie thing (more than the harbour/solent creepers may I say), I do understand what they moan about (but it didn't worry me when I was there) maybe they should see the other side? Consideration - look both ways!!!

Ian

Perhaps you are best placed to answer my concerns about the Submarine gap too.

I tend to go out to the forts to keep clear of the bottle neck but when I went out with some sports boats they just ploughed in regardless, as invited guess I didnt say anything.
Alright they most likely make less wash than I do and it was deep water as Searush points out so shouldnt be breaking so what is the correct procedure in such places.

when you were sailing did you use the gap and expect mobos to wait for you to clear (say 200m) or did you consider using the bottle neck included sharing it with mobo wash ?

And now, do you stand off waiting for sailing boats to clear before you go through or do you creep through wash free @ 5 knots.

As you know when its F5-6 from the north its a lot calmer inshore through the gap , its very useful.

 

[iangrant]

Well

Not sure I'd be best placed to answer for everyone, but as far as was for me at the small boat channel, I would certainly have waited for the mobo's to flash through the gap then slip through when it was clear.

Ian

 

[PCUK]

As per Searush. Daka's post was worrying. He was clearly give way vessel and didn't seem to know it. Saying we are discussing wash and not col regs seems to make it even worse as col regs trump wash issues every time!

 

[DAKA]

As per Searush. Daka's post was worrying. He was clearly give way vessel and didn't seem to know it. Saying we are discussing wash and not col regs seems to make it even worse as col regs trump wash issues every time!

Please read my post again.
We are not talking about col regs.
There is no risk of collision.
I was not skipper anyway !
Obviously the sports boats were not going to ram anyone.

The question and posts relate to wash issues.
Wash carries several hundred feet, after the boats have safely passed there is a wake behind that the sailing boats would have suffered ( I presume).

Anyone who knows the gap will realize that boats converge on the bottle neck.
It surprised me that the sailing boats effectively carried on into the wake zone when they could have held back and missed the worst of it.

If I see the seacat heading for the little Russell at 30-40 knots I wait until it and its wash has gone before I enter the channel, not for avoiding a collision but just to avoid wash.

Thats the point of my post, the sailing boats that moan about wash all seem happy to enter wash zones when it suits them !

 

[paultallett]

Perhaps you are best placed to answer my concerns about the Submarine gap too.

I tend to go out to the forts to keep clear of the bottle neck but when I went out with some sports boats they just ploughed in regardless, as invited guess I didnt say anything.
Alright they most likely make less wash than I do and it was deep water as Searush points out so shouldnt be breaking so what is the correct procedure in such places.

when you were sailing did you use the gap and expect mobos to wait for you to clear (say 200m) or did you consider using the bottle neck included sharing it with mobo wash ?

And now, do you stand off waiting for sailing boats to clear before you go through or do you creep through wash free @ 5 knots.

As you know when its F5-6 from the north its a lot calmer inshore through the gap , its very useful.

I think if it was me, I'd expect to use the gap with the yacht's but I would have dropped off the plane, gone through at 6 knots and everyone would of been happy. I personally think that would be the most seaman like thing to do, but I accept other see it differently.

 

[fireball]

Anyone who knows the gap will realize that boats converge on the bottle neck.
It surprised me that the sailing boats effectively carried on into the wake zone when they could have held back and missed the worst of it.

TBH I would not stand off - If you (or whoever in a powerboat) is passing through clear of me then I will hold my course and suffer the wake (probably muttering a curse or two )
By the time it is apparent that we will be passing through the barrier in close proximity it is too late to do much in the way of stand off and I'll suffer the wake one way or another so might as well just carry on.

I have gone through a couple of times when powerboats have 'squeezed' through a gap which I consider anti-social - no risk of collision though - providing nothing breaks down ...

 

[ricky_s]

Normally when heading into a narrow gap like that where it is still acceptable to be on the plane, I just swerve around the sailboats, a bit of slalom practice.

We are at sea so another wave isn't going to hurt too much. Doesn't go down too well I must admit.

 

[Searush]

Normally when heading into a narrow gap like that where it is still acceptable to be on the plane, I just swerve around the sailboats, a bit of slalom practice.

We are at sea so another wave isn't going to hurt too much. Doesn't go down too well I must admit.

There's your answer, then, isn't it? But if you are happy to behave in a manner that pi55es people off there's nowt I can do that will influence you is there?

So why is it that people associate MoBo's with Chavish behaviour I wonder?

 

[DAKA]

There's your answer, then, isn't it? But if you are happy to behave in a manner that pi55es people off there's nowt I can do that will influence you is there?

So why is it that people associate MoBo's with Chavish behaviour I wonder?

Please dont associate chavish behaviour with all mobos, I think you will find its a sports boat issue.
My experience didnt just stop with the wash issue..........
met up Friday @ 2245
Case of beer finished within a couple of hours, so I guess some would feel there was a marina noise issue too ?

Forecast was atrocious, I wouldnt have cast off, met office had red ring round UK, I asked about the weather and a mobile phone was produced and within seconds I am assured the forecast is good

Sunny 19'

By 0900 provisions are replenished and off we go to Cowes, great I ve not been for a while (my boats been abroad).

Apart from the marina and a trip to the takeaway I didnt see cowes at all.
Another case of beer gone.
Sunday liquid lunch started at 1100

cast off 1330 now with flag poles bending never mind the flappy things and a mad dash to make free flow.

No sooner are we tied up and its all off to the pub.......

Thankfully I carry a breathalyser in my car and I was able to check my levels are safe before driving home !

Great weekend, certainly not serious boating

 

[fireball]

Sunday liquid lunch started at 1100

Blimey - you get through a lot of orange squash! Do you carry a spare bottle?

 

[colingr]

Please dont associate chavish behaviour with all mobos, I think you will find its a sports boat issue.

Oi, I resent that remark

As a sports boater I think you's find that many are as considerate as anyone. Certainly as aware as other boaters as some pilots of great big chunks of plastic that barge up and down the Hamble etc with no regard for anyone else.

Don't fall into the raggie trait of classing all mobos as a menace in tarring all sports boat with the same brush. We're all moboers, just on a different scale.

 

[TamarMike]

Restrict ALL leisure craft to no more than 6 or perhaps 10 horsepower per ton, simples

 

[fireball]

Oh bug6er ... does that mean I have to make my engine a bit bigger?

 

[colingr]

Restrict ALL leisure craft to no more than 6 or perhaps 10 horsepower per ton, simples

I've got a better idea, Restrict mobos to the hours of daylight and raggies to the dark times. Let's face it at the speed raggies go if they crash into things in the dark they'll not come to any harm.

That way the conflict will be removed at a stroke

 

[bedouin]

I think if it was me, I'd expect to use the gap with the yacht's but I would have dropped off the plane, gone through at 6 knots and everyone would of been happy. I personally think that would be the most seaman like thing to do, but I accept other see it differently.

Excuse my ignorance - are there many Mobos that can plane at the maximum speed allowed in that area of the Solent (namely 10 kts). I had always assumed most needed to be going significantly faster than that

 

[DAKA]

The map doesnt show a speed limit there, I think the closest restricted area is 10 mph speed limit 1/2 mile from the promenade road.

 

[colingr]

If I recall correctly there is a 10 knot limit 1000m from the shore within the Portsmouth harbour area, which extends as far as the fort. So East of the fort you cal appriach at 40 knots as long as you crash stop as you pass the barrier It's not shown on the chart but probably in the Portsmouth Harbour regs somewhere. A bit like the 6 knot limit North of the line between Hythe Pier and Weston Shore Buoy.

Found it

The following speed limits apply:
Within Portsmouth Harbour - 10 knots.

Within 1,000 yards of the shore in any part of the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth - 10 knots.

Within Wootton Creek to the West of the meridian of the mouth of the creek.(Longitude 01 12’.84 W) - 5 knots.
The speed limit in each case is to be taken as "speed through the water".

and

3. Description of Limits

1.For the purposes of the Act and of this Order the limits of the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth shall be as follows—
a.on the east and south, a line from a point on the line of mean high-water springs at Eastney Point in latitude 50º 47’ 12” north longitude 01º 01’ 47” west on a true bearing of 120º for a distance of 2.50 nautical miles to a point in latitude 50º 45’ 57” north longitude 00º 58’ 22” west, thence on a true bearing of 187 1/2º for a distance of 7.83 nautical miles to a point in latitude 50º 38’ 12” north longitude 01º 00’00” west, thence on a true bearing of 270º for a distance of 6.40 nautical miles to a point on the line of mean high-water springs in Sandown Bay in latitude 50º 38’ 12” north longitude 01º 10’ 03” west;
b.on the south west, the line of mean high-water springs along the eastern and northern shores of the Isle of Wight from the aforementioned point in Sandown Bay to a point at Old Castle Point in latitude 50º 45’ 56.3” north longitude 01º 16’ 28.0” west with all bays, creeks, lakes, pools and rivers as far as the tide flows between those points except that between Bembridge Point and Old St. Helen’s Church the limit of the Dockyard Port shall be the outer limit of Bembridge Harbour;
c.on the west, a line from the aforementioned point at Old Castle Point on a true bearing of 000º for a distance of 0.14 nautical miles to a point in latitude 50º 46’ 04.7” north longitude 01º 16’ 28.0” west, thence on a true bearing of 022º for a distance of 3.15 nautical miles to a point on the line of mean high-water springs at Hillhead in latitude 50º 48’ 59.5” north longitude 01º 14’ 35.9” west; and
d.on the north, the line of mean high-water springs from the aforementioned point at Hillhead to the aforementioned point at Eastney Point in latitude 50º 47’ 12” north longitude 01º 01’ 47” west with all bays, creeks, lakes, pools and rivers as far as the tide flows between those points except that in Ports Creek the north east limit of the Dockyard Port shall be the western side of the railway bridge in approximately latitude 50º 50’ 00” north longitude 01º 03’ 10” west.

Clicky

 

[paultallett]

Excuse my ignorance - are there many Mobos that can plane at the maximum speed allowed in that area of the Solent (namely 10 kts). I had always assumed most needed to be going significantly faster than that

Very good question, I've never used the submarine barrier and without getting my maps out and seeing if the 10kts speed limit (1000yrds off the coast if I remember correctly) covers that area I wouldn't know.

I was answering hypothetically that if I was on the plane (as Daka had said he was) what I would have done........

But out of interest, yes my dingy will plane well below 10knts!!!!

 

[bedouin]

If I recall correctly there is a 10 knot limit 1000m from the shore within the Portsmouth harbour area, which extends as far as the fort. So East of the fort you cal appriach at 40 knots as long as you crash stop as you pass the barrier It's not shown on the chart but probably in the Portsmouth Harbour regs somewhere. A bit like the 6 knot limit North of the line between Hythe Pier and Weston Shore Buoy.

I think you'll find that the Harbour area is much more extensive than you think and covers most of the way to Chichester (from memory) so the channel in the submarine barrier is certainly within the area.

However from the behaviour I observe it seems to me that most MOBOers either can't read, or can't be bothered to stick to the rules (this if course is pure envy from someone for whom getting to 10 knots is a major achievement )