Radio rogered

I am mearly stating wot it means, not making up the rules ........ however, as you probably know radio msgs are not repeated endlessly ..... brevity is the catch word.

I am sure we can all see the potential pitfalls, but to reduce the chances of cockups, we ought phrase our radio comms in an unambigious manner.
 
Actually I suspect you are all wrong - if you want to be pedantic... R is the letter for received... Nothing more than that --- received. Now the word 'roger' in the phonetic alphabet has long been replaced by Romeo... Ask any antipodean what the correct word to use for RECEIVED and they will tell you it is ROMEO...

However Roger has become normal parlance in UK waters. It is all a bit out of date as most marine SSB's and I 'think' VHF sets (certainly in USA waters) have a built in system with a 'beep' when the transmit key is released which obviates the necessity to behave like something out of a 1942 movie.... I think some pretty OTT statements are flying around when the main use of VHF is to invite your neighbour over for a 'sundowner'...

Michael
 
Roger is an internationally agreed Radio Proword.
it appears in the NATO list and of every other signals list...EXCEPT for the Marine list.
Whether this is just a local phenomenon in this country courtesy of the RYA/MCA or for all international marine I dont know.
However it is us that is out of step with the rest of the communications world on the use of Roger..which means " I have recieved your last message and understood it".
Just because the RYA dont teach it doesnt mean that it's not a perfectly useable and internationally agreed proword.

Steve
 
Sorry Your'e Wrong.
Here is the international NATO Set.

Steve.


Viz...

3.1 PHONETIC ALPHABETIC AND NUMBERS
The standard NATO alphabet, in use throughout the world, should be used to the exclusion of any other. It is shown below, together with the pronunciation of numbers:

ALPHA HOTEL OSCAR UNIFORM WUN SIX
BRAVO INDIA PAPA VICTOR TOO SEV-EN
CHARLIE JULIET QUEBEC WHISKEY THUH-REE EIGHT
DELTA KILO ROMEO XRAY FO-WER NINER
ECHO LIMA SIERRA YANKEE FYFE ZERO
FOXTROT MIKE TANGO ZULU
GOLF NOVEMBER

3.2 PROCEDURAL WORDS (PROWORDS) AND PHRASES
The following Prowords and Phrases have been well established by other Services and should be adopted for RAYNET use.

PROWORD/PHRASE MEANING COMMENT
ACKNOWLEDGE Let me know that you have received and understood this message
AFFIRM Yes Aviation. Recommended for use by RAYNET. Do not use "ROGER"
ALL AFTER/BEFORE Indicates part of a message e-g- "Say again all after...."
BREAK Indicates the separation between the messages. Often used to interrupt a message to call another station.
CANCEL Annul the previously transmitted instruction.
CLOSE DOWN Cease operation of the radio station.
CONFIRM Have I correctly received the following....? Or, Did you correctly receive this message. Answer - "CORRECT" Or: - "AFFIRM"
CORRECT That is correct. Do NOT use "ROGER"
CORRECTION Art error has been made in MY transmission. The correct version is ......... Do NOT use for a mistake made by the station transmitting to you (See MISTAKE)
DES-SEE-MAL Decimal Point
DIRECT CONTACT Contact outstation to outstation. Without a repeater.
DISREGARD Consider that transmission is not sent.
I SAY AGAIN I repeat for clarity or emphasis.
IMMEDIATE IMMEDIATE I have a message of life and death urgency Use ONLY for life and death urgency.
MESSAGE I have a message for you.
MESSAGE ENDS The entire text of the formal message has now been sent It might be followed by a brief admin message.
MISTAKE Them is an error in YOUR transmission. e-g "You read back my message wrongly" Do NOT use "CORRECTION".
NEGATIVE No; or Incorrect; or permission not granted.
PROWORD/PHRASE MEANING COMMENT
OVER My transmission is ended and I expect a response from you.
OUT This exchange of transmission is ended and no response is expected. "OVER AND OUT " is meaningless!
PASS YOUR MESSAGE Proceed With you message. Preferred to the ambiguous "GO AHEAD".
PRIORITY PRIORITY I need to interrupt With a PRIORITY message. Say immediately a station stops transmitting.
RADIO CHECK Report the readability of my transmission. Use "Good" ; "Readable With difficulty" ; or "Unreadable".
READ BACK Repeat all, or the specified part, of this message back to me exactly as received.
RELEVANT I have a message relevant to the current exchange of transmissions. Used to interrupt to give assistance. Do not use "BREAK"
REPORT Pass requested information. e-g "Report your location".
REQUEST I should like to know...or, I wish to take certain action. e-g "Request close down for 10 minutes."
ROGER I have received and understand your message. "ROGER" should not be used for any other meaning.
ROGER SO FAR Confirm you have received the message so far. Reply :- "Roger so far"
SAY AGAIN Repeat all, or the following part, of your transmission.
SEND Proceed with your message. Abbreviated form of "PASS YOUR MESSAGE".
SITREP Situation Report.
STAND BY This station is now available to receive messages. To be used only by CONTROL to indicate the channel is clear for further traffic from outstations.
TALK-THROUGH Direct contact outstation to outstation via a repeater.
WAIT Do not transmit until I call you.
WAIT ONE Do not transmit; I Will call you in about out minute.
WlLCO I will comply with your request/instruction.
YES-YES Yes. Used by Police instead of the preferred "AFFIRM".

3.3 CALLSIGNS/IDENTS
The use of TACTICAL idents for the duration of ALL exercises Or actual emergencies is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED.
 
Interesting to see this thread today- yesterday listened in to a mayday unfold, and was surprised to hear Humber Coastguard use it.
 
Nothing at all wrong with using Roger, actually I think it should be used whenever suitable. Marine RT procedure is so long winded when compared with aviation.
So perhaps 'Roger' being used actually shows an improvement in standards.
 
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Nothing at all wrong with using Roger,......
So perhaps 'Roger' being used actually shows an improvement in standards.

[/ QUOTE ]Does "Roger" not object? I would have thought it was illegal unless between two consenting adults and in private. Personally I would rather "use" SHMO - much more natural. I know "sailors" are renowned for being "shirt lifters" but enough is enough. Using "Roger" is not my cup of tea.
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I\'m guilty!

In my time I have Rogered yachts, mobos, fishermen, commercial skippers, port authorities and even the CG AND whats more they have all Rogered me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

VHF protocols can sometimes get right up my pipe - there's nothing worse than listening to two ships stations trying to contact one another "the correct" way

Yacht ABC (repeated 3 times) this is yacht XYZ (repeated 3 times)

are you receiving OVER

Yacht XYZ this is etc, etc (repeated 3 times)

After the first call all ABC has to say is "all attention" or "all about" and the jobs done.

Just spend a little time and tune into the local port radio if you really want to understand the meaning of "brevity"

Peter.
 
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ROGER SO FAR Confirm you have received the message so far. Reply :- "Roger so far"

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Steverow, I was halfway into getting my old army signals manuals, to check up of this, but your post confirmed one of the most important uses of 'Roger' and that is in transmitting a long message, especially Slidex, Batco and Mapco, where the transmitting station would say "Roger so far" and would hopefully get a reply of "Roger so far" as a confirmation.

"Roger so Far" was especially useful when sending and receiving radio orders for future operations. I only spent 22 years in uniform but during that time signals procedure changed very little and Wilco and Roger were used all the time.

The only comment I have to make is that the use of Affirmative, Negative, Please and Thank You were hanging offences if used on an Army network.

I am afraid that these prowords are deeply embedded with me and I use them on marine radios, so it would be a good job if Karsha didn't venture north or he would have fit with all the 'rogering' I do.
 
I think 'over' is overused and so is 'out'.
I can tell when someone has finished his sentence and the communication has ended without all this clutter.
 
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