fireball
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Re: Boat Radio Licence
Don't shoot - ours isn't listed either - and I can assue you it has a licence...
Don't shoot - ours isn't listed either - and I can assue you it has a licence...
Radio Operators License
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Das_Boot
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Re: Boat Radio Licence
I do not have the call sign and the epirb number at work. I will bring them in for u as I said in the last post I am busy re-fitting and re-registering all of the equipment.
AS the fees are valid on the old register I have not botherd to change them as they have been paid for, for the year. When I install the new equipment I will put them all on the English Register this is within the law. I hope this satisfies you.
If you would like to check with LG Electronics they can tell you that I recently purchased DCS still in box Radar still in box I have not yet purchased a new EPIRB as I am waiting to find out if my original one is worth replacing (beeing serviced) . The only equipment that needs to be licensed on board is the ancient radio and it is.
Why would I list a call sign? is this a reason to cast aspersions on my honesty. I was asking a serious question and as you can see by the number of viewings and replys this is a matter that concerns a number of people.
I do not have the call sign and the epirb number at work. I will bring them in for u as I said in the last post I am busy re-fitting and re-registering all of the equipment.
AS the fees are valid on the old register I have not botherd to change them as they have been paid for, for the year. When I install the new equipment I will put them all on the English Register this is within the law. I hope this satisfies you.
If you would like to check with LG Electronics they can tell you that I recently purchased DCS still in box Radar still in box I have not yet purchased a new EPIRB as I am waiting to find out if my original one is worth replacing (beeing serviced) . The only equipment that needs to be licensed on board is the ancient radio and it is.
Why would I list a call sign? is this a reason to cast aspersions on my honesty. I was asking a serious question and as you can see by the number of viewings and replys this is a matter that concerns a number of people.
Ships_Cat
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Re: Boat Radio Licence
If I interpret you correctly your vessel is not on the British Register, or if not registered it was domiciled in another country. Other forumites may not be aware that many countries do not provide pleasure boat details (for various reasons) to the MARS database so they will obviously not be listed. The country our boat is registered in is one of those and our boat (nor any other from the same country) can be found in the MARS database.
John
If I interpret you correctly your vessel is not on the British Register, or if not registered it was domiciled in another country. Other forumites may not be aware that many countries do not provide pleasure boat details (for various reasons) to the MARS database so they will obviously not be listed. The country our boat is registered in is one of those and our boat (nor any other from the same country) can be found in the MARS database.
John
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the wording of the law is that if you dont have an operators license it is illegal to have the equipment available for use.
[/ QUOTE ]As I said yesterday that is FALSE, NOT TRUE. If you have equipment available then you require a Ship's Radio Licence, not an operator's licence. The Ship's Radio Licence looks like a UK car tax disc and you fix it to the yacht where it can be inspected from the outside. You do not need to take any sort of test to get a Ship's Radio Licence.
You do NOT require a radio operator's licence to own a yacht fitted with a radio, or sail the yacht. You only require an operator's licence to operate the radio. I have said this twice - I don't know whether you are not reading posts, ignoring them or whether this is all a wind-up.
Your radar and EPIRBS will be shown on your Ships Radio Licence and you may use those legally without any sort of operator's licence. It is probably legal for you to make a distress call on your radio(s) without an operator's licence - but what the heck, nobody is going to argue.
The PROBLEM might be if you go foreign and have a disagreement with a foreign official. He might decide to crawl all over your documents and you are going to have a hell of a job explaining UK licencing law to him. You might be in the right, but you still might be detained for a long time at inconvenience and expense. Why take the risk?
the wording of the law is that if you dont have an operators license it is illegal to have the equipment available for use.
[/ QUOTE ]As I said yesterday that is FALSE, NOT TRUE. If you have equipment available then you require a Ship's Radio Licence, not an operator's licence. The Ship's Radio Licence looks like a UK car tax disc and you fix it to the yacht where it can be inspected from the outside. You do not need to take any sort of test to get a Ship's Radio Licence.
You do NOT require a radio operator's licence to own a yacht fitted with a radio, or sail the yacht. You only require an operator's licence to operate the radio. I have said this twice - I don't know whether you are not reading posts, ignoring them or whether this is all a wind-up.
Your radar and EPIRBS will be shown on your Ships Radio Licence and you may use those legally without any sort of operator's licence. It is probably legal for you to make a distress call on your radio(s) without an operator's licence - but what the heck, nobody is going to argue.
The PROBLEM might be if you go foreign and have a disagreement with a foreign official. He might decide to crawl all over your documents and you are going to have a hell of a job explaining UK licencing law to him. You might be in the right, but you still might be detained for a long time at inconvenience and expense. Why take the risk?
Das_Boot
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Re: Boat Radio Licence
The boat was originaly on the German register but due to the fact that I am English (citizen not by birth) I put the boat on the English Register all the equipment licenses etc are german and still valid. However when I install the new stuff I will license it here.
This is not the area of concern the area of concern was the license to operate. I believe that fewer than 10% of people with leisure craft with radios (VHF) have one.
The boat was originaly on the German register but due to the fact that I am English (citizen not by birth) I put the boat on the English Register all the equipment licenses etc are german and still valid. However when I install the new stuff I will license it here.
This is not the area of concern the area of concern was the license to operate. I believe that fewer than 10% of people with leisure craft with radios (VHF) have one.
Mike_Martin
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Strange post!
http://www.rya.org.uk/training/courses.asp
I would suggest that if you are having difficulty understanding the rules PM what you don't get and I'll try and give you an understandable answer.
Mike
http://www.rya.org.uk/training/courses.asp
I would suggest that if you are having difficulty understanding the rules PM what you don't get and I'll try and give you an understandable answer.
Mike
Mike_Martin
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Just to clarify you CAN listen to the radio and use it in DISTRESS only without an Operators Certificate however, you are not authorised for general traffic without one.
Mike
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duncan
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but now we have the question of when a vessel in UK waters requires a UK ships radio licence?
I also thought that Germany contributed to MARS in respect of pleasure vessels?
I also thought that Germany contributed to MARS in respect of pleasure vessels?
Mike_Martin
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Sorry I don't really understand your point.
If your vessel is correctly licensed and the foreign PSC hasn't been listening to you using your VHF, you shouldn't have a problem! You are licensed by the UK and should be referred back to flag state for any infringements. Now if you're not licensed at all it's a different matter you can be fined/prosecuted by foreign administration for not complying with the rules
Mike
If your vessel is correctly licensed and the foreign PSC hasn't been listening to you using your VHF, you shouldn't have a problem! You are licensed by the UK and should be referred back to flag state for any infringements. Now if you're not licensed at all it's a different matter you can be fined/prosecuted by foreign administration for not complying with the rules
Mike
Das_Boot
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I think this license issue needs clarity.
If one reads the topic it clearly states Radio Operators License I have also said many times the radio license (like the TV license is not the issue) however people have posted that it is illegal to have a radio on your boat (available for use) without a radio operators license. If this is not the case I must apologise for thinking so but I was only going on information given in this thread. That is why I said that it is fraught with complexity.
So can you please tell me.
If the radio itself is licensed but I do not have an operators license is it illegal to have it on my boat (available for use) or should I just disconnect it or neither.
And why is the post strange.
If one reads the topic it clearly states Radio Operators License I have also said many times the radio license (like the TV license is not the issue) however people have posted that it is illegal to have a radio on your boat (available for use) without a radio operators license. If this is not the case I must apologise for thinking so but I was only going on information given in this thread. That is why I said that it is fraught with complexity.
So can you please tell me.
If the radio itself is licensed but I do not have an operators license is it illegal to have it on my boat (available for use) or should I just disconnect it or neither.
And why is the post strange.
Ships_Cat
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I also thought that Germany contributed to MARS in respect of pleasure vessels?
It does. One needs to know what the boat's name was while in German ownership to identify it though.
John
It does. One needs to know what the boat's name was while in German ownership to identify it though.
John
duncan
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Whilst (small point) it's the ship that need to be licenced for the radio installation not the radio no one has anywhere in the post suggested or stated that you need to have a radio operators licence unless you use the radio (for anything other than (i)a distress situation or (ii) overseing the use of the radio by another non licenced operator for a non distress situation).
Mike_Martin
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The Ship Radio Licence (SRL) allows you to have Maritime Service radio equipment on you boat attached to power supply and attenna (available for use). This licence alone, allows you to monitor (listen to) that equipment and to use it to transmit if you are in Distress only.
This with an Operators certificate then allows you to use the radio for routine (ie ship to ship /marina calls etc) traffic as well.
To sum up if you have a Marine radio on the boat there MUST be a SRL.
Mike
This with an Operators certificate then allows you to use the radio for routine (ie ship to ship /marina calls etc) traffic as well.
To sum up if you have a Marine radio on the boat there MUST be a SRL.
Mike
Das_Boot
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Thank you very much Mike that clears up the problem. I should have known better and forgive my terminology.
My SLR will be taken out in England when I install the new equipment but there is no urgency to get a Radio operators license so I can wait untill I find a spot on a course near my home. I wont in any case be using it as I am having the boat lifted for a new engine shortly.
I was just worried about the old equipment and did not want to fall foul of the law for the sake of some old radio which I am binning anyway.
Cheers and thanks for your help.
My SLR will be taken out in England when I install the new equipment but there is no urgency to get a Radio operators license so I can wait untill I find a spot on a course near my home. I wont in any case be using it as I am having the boat lifted for a new engine shortly.
I was just worried about the old equipment and did not want to fall foul of the law for the sake of some old radio which I am binning anyway.
Cheers and thanks for your help.
Das_Boot
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Oh and by the way I have never used the VHF I dont even know if it works I disconnected the antenna when I serviced my mast and have never connected it again. (reply re german license). I do not even have a use for the new one but for some or other reason thought that it was a requirement I know better now but have already bought it.
Most of my sailing was done in South African waters and they are much stricter regarding training equipment etc. and so thought it was the same here. More fool me.
Most of my sailing was done in South African waters and they are much stricter regarding training equipment etc. and so thought it was the same here. More fool me.
Solitaire
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Maybe if everybody had posted replies in two langauges you might have got it quicker! Or is three now? When I lived in Joburg it was only two. Mind you I did get confused when I first arrived, when the gents loo had "GENTS HERE" on the door! I thought, surly they don't have to tell me its here, I can see it is! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Das_Boot
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Hell it took a long time and much typing to get to the bottom of the issue South Africa is worse though (red tape).
Ja its grim up north heading south soon.
Ja its grim up north heading south soon.
Mike_Martin
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In reality it was just a case of not asking the right person. Anyone on the board could have suggested that you PM me for an answer but that would have deprived you of an exciting thread and their opinion.
Mike
Mike
boomerangben
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I have been waiting for over 9 months to get on a SRC course. They are run locally, but only when there are enough takers. It will be another 3 months before the next one is planned and there is no guarentee that it will go ahead. So what should I do? Spend over 200 quid on ferries and hotels and then pay for a course on top of that? Also please could someone explain why the RYA charge a fee for a licence required by Ofcom? In fact why should a fisherman have to pay the RYA for their radio licence? Oh well I will continue to wait. I hope there is a course before the boat goes back into the water. Until then I will continue to use a radio daily. But because it is fitted to an aeroplane, I will be using it legally.
Mike_Martin
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That is indeed unfrotunate but I suppose it's the price for living in such a gorgeous if isolated part of the British Isles.
You're confusing two things here. The Operator's Certificate (which is the bit you do the course to get) and the Ship Radio Licence.
You pay RYA for the course and examination to get your Short Range Radio Operators Certificate.
You pay Ofcom for the Ship Radio Licence.
Mike
You're confusing two things here. The Operator's Certificate (which is the bit you do the course to get) and the Ship Radio Licence.
You pay RYA for the course and examination to get your Short Range Radio Operators Certificate.
You pay Ofcom for the Ship Radio Licence.
Mike