Quick question regarding age?

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I've just purchased a very small secondhand boat - I was told by the broker that it's a 2006 boat - yet when I checked the hull id this states certificate year 2004 and model year 2004 - should I be bothered by this difference and ask the broker to clarify (read refund!!) or does it just mean the boat was made then but not sold until 2006

Buying a newer boat was important so feel let down that it now appears to be older than I thought

Many thanks
Jean
 
I remember seeing a similar post on here before and am pretty sure the answer was that the hull may have been produced and then sat in factory for a year or so before it was fitted out etc...

What make of boat is it, maybe contact the manufacturers if still going
 
All the legal paperwork with my boat,a quite detailed history involving her previous 4 owners,state she is a 1982 boat.
Problem is they stopped building them in 1980. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Technically trade descriptions breach.

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Hmmmmm, maybe, but a broker is not (in law) required to tell the truth about anything, might have some sort of redress against the vendor though, but as a previous poster said, don't hold your breath.

I think it's a classic case of "buyer beware"..........maybe should have checked before handing over any cash, on the other hand, all may be kosha, hull may have been moulded, then sat around factory to finish later??

If the OP likes the boat, and is pleased with it, why spit his dummy out of his pram over a date?
 
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Hmmmmm, maybe, but a broker is not (in law) required to tell the truth about anything,

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I'm not so sure about that, anything the broker says should be true, a broker could lie by omission, claiming not to know, but anything he says should be correct, otherwise fraud? I'm no legal beagle!

On a newish plastic boat in this case I think I'd be inclined to do as you say and move on! Enjoy the boat.
 
Its not unusual brokers ads are full of mistakes and they cover themselves in the small print, however a year or two doesn't make a big difference to value or reliability its not like car registrations. However as its fairly new I'd certainly give the broker a hard time and if similar 2004 boats asking prices are significantly less then you have a case, but I suspect there may not be much difference.
 
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Its not unusual brokers ads are full of mistakes and they cover themselves in the small print, however a year or two doesn't make a big difference to value or reliability its not like car registrations. However as its fairly new I'd certainly give the broker a hard time and if similar 2004 boats asking prices are significantly less then you have a case, but I suspect there may not be much difference.

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I suspect that in truth most brokers are reputable and honourable souls, and wouldn't knowingly tell lies to sell a boat, I was simply pointing out that as far as I am aware, there is nothing in law, that specifically prevents them from doing so? I would be very happy for someone to tell me that I am wrong, (and why). I do think that the OP is risking spoiling the experience of acquiring his new boat.
 
Probably a bit like cars, especially now. Look at all those lovely stockpiled 2008 manufactured cars, sooner or later they'll get sold, have 2009 or 2010 registration, but they'll be 2008 models, new in 2009 or 10. Go and play with the boat, it's an irrelevance really!
 
Your beef is probably with the seller, not the broker, but i'd say it matters. A 2004 boat would probably have a value about 10 - 15% less than a 2006 boat, so if it has been misrepresented, then you should get compensation / refund
 
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Probably a bit like cars, especially now. Look at all those lovely stockpiled 2008 manufactured cars, sooner or later they'll get sold, have 2009 or 2010 registration, but they'll be 2008 models, new in 2009 or 10. Go and play with the boat, it's an irrelevance really!

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Yes...and yet I cannot buy a plate like HK08BEN and put it on an 06 car....but the trade seem allowed to do so..
 
Yup, agree that.
Cannot comment on whether OP is owed compensation/recission/etc becuase not enough info in post. Depends who contract is with, the temrs of the contract, and what representations he can prove were made to induce him to enter into it (so, a trawl thru correspondence and emails). The default position is of course caveat emptor

I don't understnad the expression "certificate year" in OP's post. Last 4 digits of HIN should be letter then 3 numbers. Say, B404. That would mean the hull is laid up in February (ie B) of 2004 and is a 2004 model year
 
Difference is:

It doesn't matter how long a car sits in a field. If it has an 06 plate on it, it is treated as a 2006 car by everyone, including the person or dealer you end up selling it to.

With no number plates, any future buyer will price this boat according to the HIN.
 
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Cannot comment on whether OP is owed compensation/recission/etc becuase not enough info in post.

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If the OP was lucky enough to win compensation would it be based on theoretical value of the same boat 2 years older, 10-15% was mentioned above, in which case if the op bought this boat with a discount then compensation could be negligible .

One of my boats (Bayliner) was misrepresented and I went for the broker, I won 10% of the boat value plus costs BUT
It engulfed my life for 6 months and I class it as an empiric victory.


My thoughts are to
Request and threaten but let it drop quickly and move on in life.

I was paying Barristers £200 an hour, it was a real gamble.


Anyone know what happened to Dave Derit and Bob Hardiman T/A Severn Yacht Brokers and DH Marine @ Kempsey ?
 
I had the same with a Porsche I bought once. It turned out that it was 2 years older than I thought - it had been built during the last recession, and failed to sell!

The annoying thing was that Porsche were making lots of modifications to the cars at that time, and I thought I had the later of the family.

I would contact the broker, and lodge a complaint/request for a level of refund. If it doesn't come off though, I would do as others suggest, and go and play with the boat. I did with the Porsche - cost me a small fortune, and I wouldn't buy one again in a hurry, but that's another story /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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go and play with the boat.:

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Even that could be wrong.
one of my main levers was having the ability to return the boat.
In order for me to have this option I could not be seen to be using the boat or you are effectively accepting it. (still allows a theoretical claim for compensation)
 
I can only conclude you have much pyrrical evidence there :-). I'd agree with you - it may not be worth the time and effort to fight and better answer might be just to get on and enjoy the boat :-)
 
Thanks all - to clarify the question re certificate year - that's what's stated when I do a search on the Hull ID.

Quick update - I have been offered a full refund as he is not worried about the year affecting the price (this was offered even before I was able to clarify that the boat had been built and sold in Dec 2004)

So now all I need to do is decide - I paid 8k inc 60hp Yamaha engine and Snipe Trailor (Predator 160)

Decisons decisons - to be honest if I'd know it was a late 04/ early 05 I would not have been worried - I guess as I have no experience with boats it's a bit unnerving to find some of the information is incorrect - information that I thought was important - build year - however there seems to be an opinion - inc the broker - that year is less of an issue and quality, conditon etc is the deciding factor - perhaps I need to try and get out of my general consumer hat and get to grips with the "boat" world!!

Thanks again for taking the time to help

J
 
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